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post #4906 of 8656
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Originally Posted by estreeter View Post
 

End of the day, you need to hear the Hugo for yourself - the rest of this thread is just keystrokes until you do. I dont have a problem with the SNA guys - or Al - expressing an opinion that they perceive the Hugo as bright but I do have a problem with people like yourself leaping to conclusions re the meaning of the term. Let's try to work from the same glossary, shall we ?  ;)

Good points. 

post #4907 of 8656
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Originally Posted by 2a3set View Post
 

Finally I am a new happy owner with Hugo directly driving my Lowther Azurahorn( another cost saving as I use tube gear and NOS are getting more expensive),

I was wrong for the difference between Jriver live-converted dsd128 and native redbook, they are almost same after Hugo (it must be the dealer's demo PC not optimized to make DSD more preferable).

 

Got around 300 hours on Hugo, PCM wise it's super, with DSD64 my DIY DAC with 8xDSD1794 and passive I/V has more natural sound even though it is bit noisy, Hugo is very quiet while sounds more processed.

post #4908 of 8656
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Originally Posted by 2a3set View Post
 

Got around 300 hours on Hugo, PCM wise it's super, with DSD64 my DIY DAC with 8xDSD1794 and passive I/V has more natural sound even though it is bit noisy, Hugo is very quiet while sounds more processed.

Both DAC are directly connected to mothaudio Si2A3 with AVVT 2A3, it may due to the signature of the amplifier, while kind of understanding now why lots of review claim Lampi is super on DSD (dont get chance to hear it).

post #4909 of 8656
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Originally Posted by estreeter View Post
 

 

End of the day, you need to hear the Hugo for yourself - the rest of this thread is just keystrokes until you do. I dont have a problem with the SNA guys - or Al - expressing an opinion that they perceive the Hugo as bright but I do have a problem with people like yourself leaping to conclusions re the meaning of the term. Let's try to work from the same glossary, shall we ?  ;)

+ 1, very true.

post #4910 of 8656
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Originally Posted by estreeter View Post
 

 

Er, no, that is NOT what the term means by itself.

 

Bright - A sound that emphasizes the upper midrange/lower treble. Harmonics are strong relative to fundamentals.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/a/describing-sound-a-glossary

 

I believe that the term you are looking for is 'shrill' - the piercing treble periodically attributed to various Grado models and even the mighty HD800 - but sadly the term 'bright' is used on a number of audio fora as a perjorative when I see it purely as a relative term - a sound signature that veers from neutral. It's interesting that very few Head-Fiers seem alarmed by the term 'dark' even though an overly dark headphone is an instant buzzkill for me. It's worth noting that some manufacturers - most notably Cyrus and Cambridge Audio - have been accused of deliberately voicing their gear to be brighter than the opposition in an attempt to make it stand out from the opposition in a brief audition : I've owned CA gear and that cliche didnt stick with me.

 

Having established that 'bright' and 'shrill' are not the same term, I set out to find out if I could invoke anything resembling an 'overly bright' result from my Hugo and this is the best test I could manage:

 

http://www.allmusic.com/album/classical-chinese-opera-folk-songs-mw0000664486

 

If you know anything about Chinese Opera, you'll know that the female soprano is an extremely high-pitched vocal and this recording definitely falls in the 'bright' category but the Hugo does a much better job with it than any other DAC I've owned - it will largely come down to headphone choice as to whether or not one can listen to the entire album without flinching but thankfully it isnt representative of the rest of my music. Even Puccini's operas are considerably easier on the ear and that's about as far as I'm willing to venture into the soprano's range on a daily basis - far happier with bass-driven music and absolutely none of that sounds overly bright to my ears from the Hugo.

 

End of the day, you need to hear the Hugo for yourself - the rest of this thread is just keystrokes until you do. I dont have a problem with the SNA guys - or Al - expressing an opinion that they perceive the Hugo as bright but I do have a problem with people like yourself leaping to conclusions re the meaning of the term. Let's try to work from the same glossary, shall we ?  ;)

 

 

 

Yes, thanks for the clarification but overallit means the same. emphasis on upper mid to lower midrange will defniatley make you shrill.  I do agree with what you said about hearing it myself. Unfortunately, there is no hifi shp around my around that carry the HUGO. Only if they did a 30 day trial period, I would have bought it in a heartbeat. It is true that it is getting rave reviews from here, BUT, as all know this is a DAC MADE for the headphone circle. It's obviously a perfect DAC/AMP that is portable. Ofcourse it will get great reviews here.

 

Some other forums that are not "headphone" circle have actually had mixed impressions. One forum states the Chord QuteHD with Teddy Pardo PSU sounds better than the HUGO.

Another says he heard it at a show and it is not even worth the money. And another comparing the Qute76SDHD to the Directstream, and stating the Directstream is alot more refined, relaxed and carry better soundstage. (In other words, alot more analog)Then he ended with the Qute HUGO basically being the Qute76SDHD with less detail.

 

 

When I first got my gear, I loved a system with dynamics and punch, but I come to find out throgh many listening to gears, that in the end, I prefer a analog setup. A sound that is relaxed, with good details, enough bass, and greater soundstage with more intimicy to music.

 

Anyway, will do some more research of hifishop that carry the hugo!

post #4911 of 8656

IMHO:

Most bright = Dragonfly.

Less bright = Meridian Director.

Least bright = Hugo.

(I own all of these and have spent a lot of time with them.)


Edited by rgs9200m - 6/15/14 at 7:49pm
post #4912 of 8656
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Originally Posted by SearchOfSub View Post
 

Yes, thanks for the clarification but overallit means the same. emphasis on upper mid to lower midrange will defniatley make you shrill.  I do agree with what you said about hearing it myself. Unfortunately, there is no hifi shp around my around that carry the HUGO. Only if they did a 30 day trial period, I would have bought it in a heartbeat. It is true that it is getting rave reviews from here, BUT, as all know this is a DAC MADE for the headphone circle. It's obviously a perfect DAC/AMP that is portable. Ofcourse it will get great reviews here.

 

Some other forums that are not "headphone" circle have actually had mixed impressions. One forum states the Chord QuteHD with Teddy Pardo PSU sounds better than the HUGO.

Another says he heard it at a show and it is not even worth the money. And another comparing the Qute76SDHD to the Directstream, and stating the Directstream is alot more refined, relaxed and carry better soundstage. (In other words, alot more analog)Then he ended with the Qute HUGO basically being the Qute76SDHD with less detail.

 

 

When I first got my gear, I loved a system with dynamics and punch, but I come to find out throgh many listening to gears, that in the end, I prefer a analog setup. A sound that is relaxed, with good details, enough bass, and greater soundstage with more intimicy to music.

 

Anyway, will do some more research of hifishop that carry the hugo!

 

I think you do have a good point. This isn't a typical 2-channel hi-fi forum and the Hugo is "Summit Fi" gear for headphone listening, an amount to us that might be equivalent to buying a $25k DAC in the world of 2-channel speaker audio.

 

There was already a comment from Rudi comparing the Hugo to the QBD76 and he felt that the latter had a better soundstage IIRC. An $8k DAC is in the stratosphere for most of us.

post #4913 of 8656
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

I think you do have a good point. This isn't a typical 2-channel hi-fi forum and the Hugo is "Summit Fi" gear for headphone listening, an amount to us that might be equivalent to buying a $25k DAC in the world of 2-channel speaker audio.

There was already a comment from Rudi comparing the Hugo to the QBD76 and he felt that the latter had a better soundstage IIRC. An $8k DAC is in the stratosphere for most of us.

Very good points! But more so than the 8k or 25k for the DAC, many of us are more constrained by the 1 or 2m of real estate needed to let these 100k gears perform to anywhere close to their potential.

Going back to Hugo, I do find it pairs very well with wa22 and hd800. It add some tubey coloration but not at the expense of details and transparency.
post #4914 of 8656
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Going back to Hugo, I do find it pairs very well with wa22 and hd800. It add some tubey coloration but not at the expense of details and transparency.

speaking of adding a bit of coloration, I find the Chord Hugo > leben cs300sx to perform really suitable to my taste for the TH900/HD800 (slight hum)/Harbeth bookshelf.. I know it may not be the purity of sound but it just feels so much more fun with an amp.... This is after replacing a "better (30usd)" power strip to reduce the noise floor... I cannot wait until I have some spare cash for some main cables and tubes rolling..

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There is another report on another forum saying the Hugo sounds a little bright. I sure there are lots of competitors to the Hugo that would love to put the unit down ( in modern parlance "dis it ") in anyway they can, but they can never hide the purity and truth of Hugo from all of the people that have heard it.

Www.stereonet.au or something like that.

Google Chord Hugo review stereonet.au


Its really pretty simple and if someone that owns a hugo can input it would be great. When you turn up the volume way up to a point where your neighbor might complain, during your listening sessions do you ever get that "eeeek!" screeching sound that pierces your ear in the upper frequencies..?
post #4916 of 8656

I have finally connected the Hugo directly to my Leben CS600 (KT120 tubes, HD800) today and again, the Hugo is great! Very balanced, musical, detailed, natural and enjoyable experience from the small box. I still do not know how it compares against my primary DAC (M7) because I do not have time for A/B comparison and I do not remember all nuances. But very serious listening, one of the best buys of my hifi life.


Edited by seaice - 6/16/14 at 1:57am
post #4917 of 8656
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Originally Posted by weisse muller View Post

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Originally Posted by SearchOfSub View Post

There is another report on another forum saying the Hugo sounds a little bright. I sure there are lots of competitors to the Hugo that would love to put the unit down ( in modern parlance "dis it ") in anyway they can, but they can never hide the purity and truth of Hugo from all of the people that have heard it.

Www.stereonet.au or something like that.

Google Chord Hugo review stereonet.au


Its really pretty simple and if someone that owns a hugo can input it would be great. When you turn up the volume way up to a point where your neighbor might complain, during your listening sessions do you ever get that "eeeek!" screeching sound that pierces your ear in the upper frequencies..?




I noticed this when driving speaker directly with regular volume, it only exists when there is no music playing, originally thought was my setup with jriver+jplay in dual PC mode.
post #4918 of 8656
Ok here it is hot off from my skinny hands. Please read slowly as I am saying ahead of time I stink at writing , but I did go over I to make it better I hope 😎😎

Direct stream and Hugo , msb and M7

Ok the Hugo first.
The new wave of dacs and Hugo being one are getting closer to what ultra hi end dacs have been for a couple of years or more.
What this means is closer in sound of a ultra high end Analog system .
What an analog system has that most dacs do not is a smoothness that is not smearing . It puts the music up front but not loud or iratating . It has dynamics with out it becoming loud.
It's not that the dacs before had none of the qualities they did but the new stuff has much more of it. As I have compared many dacs the sound signature of the few better ones is very apparent.
The Hugo is the first dac I have heard that is portraying this type of sound at this price point .
It has musicality , what this means to me is . It gives music the power to draw us in , in ways the others did not. It has more details at lower sound passages and does the same when the muisc gets loud as well. I may feel it's tone is off a bit but this is just a point to make but as you listen this seems to fade away into it's obvious refinement of deatils. On an analog system the music seems to slow down so you can hear more of it. The why of this effect I have read has to do with the format it was recorded in meaning PCM as dsd does not have this effect. As such most dacs sound far better with dsd more on this in a few. Now with PCM dacs like a DS or Hugo portray the music in a fashion that makes us feel it's analog so we get the ease in the music feeling. Although the music is pulsing it does not feel this way as much . So louder volumes can be played without the music seeming to Blair at you. The main difference between the Hugo and DS is the proportions of the good stuff they both have. It's very easy to know if the Hugo or DS is playing once you get a handle on what to listen for. But even if you don't know or are not sure in a few mins you will be as the lower details and louder loudness becomes apparent . It's not about tone it's about clarity as they both have it but one has much more and this gives us the feeling of it being more clear . The reason is our brains are tuned for normal sounds like live muisc without amps. And both dacs have this kind of realism in them . Now with red book PCM this becomes just as obvious as hinrez
But in dsd the two really split . The why is a higher level of ambience that makes the DS just much more real. So even though at red book they differ at dsd level it's even more apparent
The Hugo is really good at it's price point but so is the DS as it's still much cheaper than any of the top tier dacs cost and sounds very much like them. It excels in low level details approaching my MSB stack. The DS gives a much more rich and real sounding musical presentation . This makes the choice easy for the difference in price .Now my msb of course has even more of the same kind of natural sound then both of these have. But at low levels this is really apparent and at high levels. Now neither of these dacs blur at complex music as some dacs do , but the DS does maintain a better image and sound stability .

So where does a dac like a audio gd M7 fit in with these other two dacs . It does by having qualities that makes it sound pleasing. The M7 is warmer and as such has less of a glow or timbre accuracy. But it is still, pleasing with it's own style of presentation . Note thickness prevail with the M7 as impact of low end and through out it's whole presentation. This makes for a nice presentation . It makes up for it's lack of being correct and ease of presentation . Lastly my belief is we all hear a little different or have very different likes and dislikes. Just look at all the many speakers and headphones someone always likes one of them as you or I may hate that choice. I have done many home theater installs for wealthy people it always amazed me how poorly they sounded and how happy they were . Maybe it's the money they paid ,not sure but somebody liked it .
The above was done with both speakers and headphones .
The hugo is not bright , it's just a little thin and tuned a little high as in pitch . But not BRIGHT .
Regarding burn in and sound changes as I do what most do and this makes no sense to me by the way. As it never seems to make any difrence to me. A good reviewer takes notes . Now i believe us hearing a new product varies over a period of time and becomes more stable . I do not think the equipment changes but our brain as it interpits the new sounds. After all every device we have sounds different .
Lastly the pitch I stated and started a war. To my ears it's pitched a little high . So vocals seem different as in a higher tone . The reason for this is to makes us feel it has more clarity then it does this also effects the sound stage and will give you more low level details. I cannot say if. It's the dac or amp as you cannot select a true line out either. But it's minor and not bad , what was bad was my persistence as most do not want to read any thing bad about there new toy.
Ok that's it hope you can understand my ramblings and please feel free to rebut what ever you think back to me .
Al
post #4919 of 8656
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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post
 

For anyone using the Hugo as a DAC with another desktop amp, what amp are you using and how does it sound? Thank you.

 

Cavalli Audio Liquid Gold  : )

 

It gives the Abyss the power to really sing. Hugo, or Cantata Music Center is best I've heard with it. 

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Well, the Hugo is certainly a game changing, liberating product.  High end SQ in such a small unit, perfect for the itinerant desk-jockey.  For a few years I had been hankering after a means of getting a level of sound at work as I had with my home rig.  Achievement unlocked.

 

Do I think it is bright> No, but I do understand where that might come from.  It is more "lit up" than my Metrum Octave.  Clean, and very extended in both directions.  But not bright in the sense of harshness, not at all, and I am someone who has found himself sensitive to this issue.

 

All this talk about matching it with other amps - I have to say I think the Hugo amp is spectacular.  Everything I have plugged into it, from IEMs to the T1 has been effortlessly and commandingly driven.. This is true flexibility. No messing around with gain switches, no hiss.

 

There is a real musicality to the Hugo presentation.  

 

I love it already.

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