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post #4786 of 8909
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

 

 

Just to clarify your situation - is the light flashing whilst nothing is connected to the Hugo, whatsoever?

 

Yes. I thought about that so I tried connecting the Hugo to my PC. It was recognized by the PC but still doing the "source flashing". I - of course - can't play anything. It is selected in JRiver but the songs don't start.

 

There should be the power cycle with the multiple colors when I turn it on. None of that happens...

 

Edit: when I plug the SD USB input to my computer, I get the "device malfunctioned" issue. That's not a good sign..


Edited by Clemmaster - 6/13/14 at 5:01pm
post #4787 of 8909
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

as it appears to be going on . have you done the very simple test i asked to show your ears what i hear. i would assume you have but denounce the concept as such you find other ways to prove the point wrong. if i may what dacs do you own and base this info on. please answer if you did the test i have asked ,, then we can go on . weather its yes or no i do not care actually. lets talk dither does the dac perform this function as well . the dac is pitched a little high this makes the dac feel it has more details but at the expense of accuracy of pitch in all vocals and instruments to each there own .
Al

 

My tests were done with my dacs and headphones. Not yours. I specified I did not use the HD800 which I find slightly bright and thin sounding with a flat input, such as that of the Hugo's. My other dacs sound darker. All of them, the W4S, LH Labs, CEntrance and others. I have over three decades of experience as a reviewer and use as much of the scientific methods to eliminate variables as possible under these conditions. Moreover, I don't need to take up every challenge thrown at me by any opinionated individual, as I have gotten hundreds of similar challenges and arguments after every review a reader didn't agree with. Whose got the time or will or want to expand the energy?

 

Suffice it to say that most of the readers here who also have experience with a variety of dacs agree in general that the Hugo is extended and neutral - it was designed to be so - and not at all bright. There is a distinction between having high frequencies in proper proportion to the rest and brightness. In fact, I raise the EQ for both the LCD-X and LCD-2 in the brightness range so I hear the Hugo flat at the ears. I don't do this for testing, just for personal listening. I had posted the EQs earlier and others confirmed my findings. Tyll Hertsens posted the reverse observations for the X, and my EQs makes it relatively flat.

 

To answer your question about dither, let me say this: both dither and some of the other adjustments I specified for Fidelia and FHX - as well as the crossfeed the others talked about here - affect frequency response. The more corssfeed, the more perceptual roll off. You have no choice, whether or not you use a speaker or headphone-based system, but to ultimately make your adjustments by ear, to your ears.

 

I repeat. The dac is not pitched high, your reference earphone is. I explained the whyfors for the psychoacoustic reasons for this phenomenon that can be, and has been, tested independently of my comments, as reality is what is, not what we prefer it to be.

 

You prefer to hammer a dead horse, the alleged Hugo's brightness, until someone out there will hear what you hear. Good luck.

 

Lastly, don't think for a New York minute that the Astell&Kern or any DAP connected to a Hugo will equal the sonic integrity of a MAC-Fidelia-FHX based server.

 

If you have not tried it, I assure you that you have not heard the Hugo at all, you only think you have.

 

And I have good reason to believe you have not tried it. Hang in there Al!

post #4788 of 8909
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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post
 

I edited my impressions post a bit (#4757) and I do disagree that the sound is bright. If it was, the TH900s would pick that up right away. The Meridian even could be called a bit bright with vocals from time to time with the Fostexes (not badly though).


That observation is correct. Even with relatively bright IEM's, the Hugo won't be bright...but possibly slightly forward in the highs.

post #4789 of 8909
If the other dacs are all darker doesn't that mean this Hugo is dare I say brighter ?????.
How can all your other dacs be wrong and this is right. And being a reviewer is exactly why you will. Not say what it really is . That is an agenda . I own it heck I posted a pic of it several times. I also posted pics of many dacs in own .
How is they all sound in pitch the same except this dac . Wmmmmm. It must the same amp and headphones being so bright with the Hugo and changing to dark with all the other dacs. I purposely avoicpded the internal amp so there was less to confuse things . Also the amp is made to sound this way too.
I promise not to post about it's sound anymore it's pointless .
Al
post #4790 of 8909
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Why would you say that. It's completely untrue
Everyone has what they like. The pwd mkii
Is way below the type of sound delivered with a direct stream or even a Hugo
It's what some like that matters not bad or good.
You like the Hugo ?? If yes then you like the DS
only the DS is even better at the same style
Al

 

 

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Originally Posted by weisse muller View Post


Mr Watts would you like to give us your thoughts on Direct stream topologies when compared to the architecture employed in the Chord Hugo. I recall you commented on the comparison once stating you were designing direct stream DACs over twenty years ago before adopting the design approach you've developed since that time.

 

 

I think we might await carefully-executed professional opinion and test to determine which product is the better one. Price has nothing to do with it.

post #4791 of 8909
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post
 

 

Yes. I thought about that so I tried connecting the Hugo to my PC. It was recognized by the PC but still doing the "source flashing". I - of course - can't play anything. It is selected in JRiver but the songs don't start.

 

There should be the power cycle with the multiple colors when I turn it on. None of that happens...

 

Edit: when I plug the SD USB input to my computer, I get the "device malfunctioned" issue. That's not a good sign..

 

Does the same happen with the "HD USB input"?


Edited by SleepyOne - 6/13/14 at 5:11pm
post #4792 of 8909
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post
 

Wow, 5h? Seriously?

 

When I turn it own, I notice the "Auth" LED right next to the "C" of Chord's logo is flashing, too (opposite to the source LED).

 

The DAC only needs anywhere from a few minutes to a half hour to charge with the AC plugged in. And almost a month to break in for full performance, otherwise it may sound thin.

post #4793 of 8909
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

If the other dacs are all darker doesn't that mean this Hugo is dare I say brighter ?????.
How can all your other dacs be wrong and this is right. And being a reviewer is exactly why you will. Not say what it really is . That is an agenda . I own it heck I posted a pic of it several times. I also posted pics of many dacs in own .
How is they all sound in pitch the same except this dac . Wmmmmm. It must the same amp and headphones being so bright with the Hugo and changing to dark with all the other dacs. I purposely avoicpded the internal amp so there was less to confuse things . Also the amp is made to sound this way too.
I promise not to post about it's sound anymore it's pointless .
Al


It is the nature of the digital medium to cut off sharply the high frequencies, especially for conventional DACs that do not have the complex FIR of the Hugo and others if they exist in this realm. That is how every one can be wrong and one can be right. You can have a classroom of kids who get a math answer wrong and one kid gets it right. And digital conversion is math - very complex math and complex thinking. That is why CDs sound great with the Hugo and not great with conventional DACs and why the first is a breakthrough for digital replay - because the math was done right. Kapish?

 

Yes Al, I have an agenda, I say what I please and like what I like. That is what reviewers and the participants here do. Nothing to get paranoid about.

 

You make a whole lotta accusations. Have you tried the Hugo with the LCD-X, Mac-Fidelia combination with the settings I proposed?

 

I didn't think so.

 

And I have no way to try whatever you have, nor the inclination.

 

Purposefully avoiding the internal amp of the Hugo is not a scientific test. The Hugo is meant to be used as a DAC-preamp/headphone amp.

 

And Al, no disrespect meant, I gotta get back to living life 'til I still have some left.

 

BTW, to all, I am not familiar with all the customs, acronyms and other behaviors on social media, so excuse my faux pas pls.


Edited by AGB100 - 6/13/14 at 5:23pm
post #4794 of 8909

Guess what? It just turned on while I was going to put it back in its box...

 

I now have the nice colors and all and it plays music. That's not the best first hands I ever had, but I'm kinda relieved!

post #4795 of 8909
Reviewers tend to say what ever is good and not was is not. Atleast of any importance anyway. And I get that as I really do not like kicking a product around. And really like the Hugo I bought dident I. But it is insulting to post I do hear voices in the wrong pitch for the sake of illusion all sound. And I know your hear what hear but you will never say it.
Anyway let's move on as I do not want to rec a pm from and admin for nonsense .
Besides the apple products is there any thing else that is portible to do dsd over dop to the Hugo ?? Anyone ??
Al
post #4796 of 8909
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post

Guess what? It just turned on while I was going to put it back in its box...

I now have the nice colors and all and it plays music. That's not the best first hands I ever had, but I'm kinda relieved!

I am happy for you .
Al
post #4797 of 8909
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post


I am happy for you .
Al

Thanks.

Now I just need to get a 4th foot to stabilize it (it only came with 3... hence me worrying a bit about the good working state of the unit). 

post #4798 of 8909
Just stay happy you just a good amount of money. Let's get some sounds going and this will make you smile.
The feet can be bought at Home Depot or most hardware stores.
Let me make you really happy go to acoustic sounds and download something dsd . There stuff is really good .
I can also reccomend opus 3 no 3 dsd 128 downloads as well.
How are you planing on using it ??
Al
post #4799 of 8909
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Originally Posted by AGB100 View Post
 


That observation is correct. Even with relatively bright IEM's, the Hugo won't be bright...but possibly slightly forward in the highs.

Believe it or not, the Meridian is more forward (I did an A/B test).

You (I) sort of don't realize something is unnaturally forward until you hear it in a different (more realistic?) perspective. The Hugo just seems to get the perspective right with all the phones I've tossed at it (TH900s, LCD3s, Oppo PM1s).

post #4800 of 8909
Contrere to what some are saying the Hugo is not bright at all. It's just not tonally accurate as most other dacs are.
I use EQ with my CIEMS. Especially the Roxanne's they need a upper boost and plenty of it. They are on the dark side of neutral .
Al
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