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post #4516 of 14561
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Originally Posted by Rossliew View Post


Thank you! Can i trouble you to pm me on how to rip Alac files with dsd embedded? Just not to detail this thread smily_headphones1.gif

If it's just a simple cut and past I would be very interested also.

thx

post #4517 of 14561
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Originally Posted by SearchOfSub View Post
 

I dont really think people should take that Class A/Class B from Audiostream into serious consideration. If you look at the Class A, all of them are the highest prices. Class B, lower prices range. Class C, lowest price range. I think its rather seperated on price. On top of it, he dosent list which one is the best out of each CLASS. Bad reviewer.

 

And we dont know he used the same AMP,cables,preamp, speakers etc. All would make a difference.

 

AGB is indeed a fiesty one. :D

 

AGB is a figment of your imagination. He does not exist and I can vouch for that! His disappearance apparently occurred after he listened with the Hugo to Kasia Lins' GO AWAY! Apparently the HUGO can recreate reality and AGB took Kasia's advice seriously.


Edited by AGB100 - 6/12/14 at 9:21am
post #4518 of 14561
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post

Exactly and the reason I no longer care if I get hires. I have CD rips that sound beautiful and if they sound that way for the instant they hit my ear drum and are gone, how much more do I need? I have 1000's of CD waiting to be ripped in storage and can't wait. I want to rip them and then most likely will only get a few dollars each for them but I no long wish to keep them except for the few collectables I have. Rip them, put them on two different or more hard drives, as I always back up, and move on the having fun with the music. I even played some old MP3, that I normally never touch and they sounded really very good. Just too cool. 

I agree. How much more does anybody need? biggrin.gif
(I have always been picky.. but Hugo has tamed my upgrade monster)
post #4519 of 14561
Ok I have the ak240 loaded with music. Both dsd and PCM. I am first going to use the hdvd800 as an amp and hd800 as the phones to compare. In this way there is no change in sound other than the dacs and there line outpets. I will do this in for both the Hugo and ak 240. Wish me luck.
Al
post #4520 of 14561
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Originally Posted by Rossliew View Post

Thank you! Can i trouble you to pm me on how to rip Alac files with dsd embedded? Just not to detail this thread smily_headphones1.gif

If I remember correctly @seeteeyou has posted some information regarding the subject in this thread.
It involves a plugin for foobar if I'm not totally wrong..
post #4521 of 14561
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Ok I have the ak240 loaded with music. Both dsd and PCM. I am first going to use the hdvd800 as an amp and hd800 as the phones to compare. In this way there is no change in sound other than the dacs and there line outpets. I will do this in for both the Hugo and ak 240. Wish me luck.
Al

Good luck! smily_headphones1.gif
post #4522 of 14561
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Originally Posted by AGB100 View Post

Native apps, when well written, will always beat net apps. I think it is a good idea to write native apps that threads with net apps treating them like RFCs, the same can be done by net apps which can call native apps. Problem is though iPhone Obj-C can write native apps and net apps, Android can only write net apps. Another problem with Android is because it is Java based, it has no hardware control. Obj-C also prevents direct hardware access but it can link in with hardware access C routines wrapped by a user class. Java lacks such power which is often needed.
iPhone OS has the power for programmers to exploit hardware whereas Android doesn't. When programmers start wiring the iPhone to myriads of external hardware Android can only sit there and watch as iPhone takes the smartphone to areas undreamed of.

Your statements are completely untrue. Have you even worked with programming because you are either misinformed or being disingenuous. Just as quick background (since you like to give background), I went to Berkeley for CS and have been involved/started several technology based companies including ones that are doing mobile development. First off, I was a bit mixed up by your comparison of native apps to net apps. I wasn't sure what you meant by net apps so I had to google it. No obvious help from google unless you meant .net apps which I doubt since that is a MS thing. So I have to guess what you mean by net app, which I guess you are referring to html5 and it's ilk. Maybe you are including adobe air, unity and other development platforms as well. In any case, to say that all android apps are non native is completely ludicrous. Just google android native app development and read the 10 of thousands or more of pages regarding it.

The only thing I can think why you think android apps are non native is because of their use of java which is generally an interpretive language and apple's object c isn't an interpretive language. The only difference between an interpretive language and non interpretive language is that the interpretive language is "compiled" at the time of execution while the non interpretive one is compiled in advance (such at the time of development). It has NOTHING to do with control of hardware or not. Compiled simply refers to when the code you write in is translated into code the computer hardware can understand and use. The only thing really affected is potentially speed as Java code needs to be compiled into machine code when ever it is run. However once in machine code, the computer can't tell what language was written in and there are no inherent advantage between compiled code do interpretive vs non interpretive language. The only thing I can think of is that you heard java uses a virtual machine and guess that it doesn't have access to hardware. This thinking of java is circa 1998 and long since untrue. Java written code is just as native as object C code.

1) You don't need to use java to develop for android. When you are using adobe air, for example, are avoiding java. You could write your code in machine code if you liked. However, java is currently the only google supported language.
2) android java is no longer a true interpretive language like JavaScript (which has nothing to do with java) as of android 4.4. Dalvik, the android interpreter, has been retired and replaced by ART (android run time). The key difference is that ART compiles the java code at installation vs. Dalvik doing so at runtime. So install times for android apps will go up a bit, but when you run them, the programs will already be in machine code and run faster.

Aside for when they are compiled, java and apple's C are basically the same type of language. They are both at the same level (referring to higher or lower level languages) of class driven object oriented languages. What this means is that if you write in the language, you use the class/objects created by others (in this case google or apple) to do what you want to do. For example, if you wanted to pop up a window, you don't actually write the code to draw the window etc, you simply tell the "window" object the dimensions and location etc. of the window. The "window" object has the code or is calling on other objects that actually contain the code to draw the window. Both apple object c and google's java give you libraries of classes/objects to control various pieces of hardware. I guess you can argue that some of apple's objects give you more finite control of certain hardware pieces, but personally it is pretty minor aside from a few things, none of which is earth shattering, and the opposite is true as well. I guess you could argue android's hardware API (that android's java libraries to control hardware) seemed to set more limits given that it needed to be compiled into a greater variety of hardware. But that would be like saying Linux apps won't be as capable as whatever apple developers are developing on for OSX. The fact is Linux (of which android is a variant) already has programs designed to do bigger things than any apple program.

Here is the key thing that makes the original post not only wrong but actually the opposite being true. There is no need to use google's java for android and accept whatever limitations it places on you. It is just easier in many cases as the code has already been written so why do it again. However since android is basically open source and published code, you could actually write your own code in java or otherwise to do things beyond what google's java allows. Apple being a closed OS will basically only allow you to do what they open up to you (although their may be hacks around it, but basically break apple's licensing and could never be legally distributed).

(Last I am going to talk about this as there are right and wrong answers on this and I am right. But more importantly, we are getting far off topic.)
Edited by Crashem - 6/11/14 at 4:55pm
post #4523 of 14561
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Originally Posted by AGB100 View Post

No one's "threatened" about it. It is on the map and a discussion of it, brought up by another post here, is warranted. Especially in light of the inane classification of the device among $450 dacs no one here would ever consider. BTW, was it you who brought up that silly review?

Not that I completely disagree with your assessment. Personally though I need to listen to something first before judging it and try to keep open mind how others might view it, if I were writing a review. The lower end of dacs have made huge strides in catching up to the higher end and, as we have pointed out, costs of parts are relatively cheap in comparison to price of product. But my doubts would also probably be pretty high. However the opinion is from the listen and not the price. Otherwise, I could argue the Hugo could not complete with any dac priced around $1400 (same absolute amount higher) priced higher or $7000ish (same multiple above). So my question remains has anyone done a a/b listen against the hugo and that $450 dollar dac? I would recommend a blind test with several people to be fair.
post #4524 of 14561
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Originally Posted by zachchen1996 View Post
 

Anyone have a KGSSHV that they would like to trade for my HUGO? :p

 

I think you will be waiting forever for this.  Sorry man.  I think a KGSSHV is worth around $2500.  Maybe you could build one yourself for $2k in parts.  Problem is KGSSHV is one of the top amps for Stax so you need someone who is desperately getting rid of his Stax rig (which will likely be for money) or someone who got "better" amp like Blue Hawaii who likely already has a DAC which he likes and doesn't believe the Hugo could match up.  But more importantly, there is no issue to get the Hugo supply wise, so why not sell his KGSSHV and buy the Hugo and pocket the difference?

 

My recommendation is for you to just sell your Hugo and either build or commission a build for a KGSSHV (depending on your budget).  Don't see a lot of KGSSHV up for sale although big batch of Blue Hawaii's may mean some coming up for sale and possibly depressed prices for KGSSHV.  So maybe my recommendation is for you to pay attention to Blue Hawaii thread and see if this big batch of Blue Hawaii's shipping soon depresses the prices of KGSSHV before building or commissioning a build of KGSSHV.

post #4525 of 14561

Al,

 

Good luck and good listening!

 

-Speedracer1 

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I did not bring up the Android v Apple systems. Someone else did. And it's true Crashem, you are ALWAYS right, right? Even when you're not. You also write novels for simple answers, mostly off topic. Look Android is great. So is Apple. Apple has a lot going for it Android doesn't. Android has better sales of their phones. Maybe they'll catch up, but I'm not sure about it in countries that can afford Apple's better made and better designed products.


Edited by AGB100 - 6/11/14 at 6:05pm
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Originally Posted by nOtEcH View Post

Hi, and welcome!
You can upload DSD files to a capable app directly (Onkyo HF Player).
You could also make your own ALAC files (Apple lossless) with DSD embedded inside. Using ALAC you can also do wireless streaming bit perfect with apps like 8Player.

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Originally Posted by nOtEcH View Post


If I remember correctly @seeteeyou has posted some information regarding the subject in this thread.
It involves a plugin for foobar if I'm not totally wrong..

 

I actually don't think this is possible, but I would love to find out that I was wrong.  For FLAC, I am not aware of any way of storing DSD based files in bit perfect format.  I assume ALAC would be the same thing.  I believe both ALAC and FLAC are only designed to store PCM data which is fundamentally different than what DSD stores.

 

Maybe the mix up is with the fact you have to wrap DSD format with PCM headers (DoP) to send it out through USB as standard USB only recognize PCM headers.  If someone knows any different, I would love to know.

post #4528 of 14561
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Originally Posted by Crashem View Post


Not that I completely disagree with your assessment. Personally though I need to listen to something first before judging it and try to keep open mind how others might view it, if I were writing a review. The lower end of dacs have made huge strides in catching up to the higher end and, as we have pointed out, costs of parts are relatively cheap in comparison to price of product. But my doubts would also probably be pretty high. However the opinion is from the listen and not the price. Otherwise, I could argue the Hugo could not complete with any dac priced around $1400 (same absolute amount higher) priced higher or $7000ish (same multiple above). So my question remains has anyone done a a/b listen against the hugo and that $450 dollar dac? I would recommend a blind test with several people to be fair.


I had the Halide and still have a number of cheaper DACs laying about. There is no comparison of these with the Hugo; and yes,  I am aware of DACs under $5-10K. certainly not those discussed in the last few pages. I have not listened to the Lampi which has a good rep., but it is DS only, isn't it? In that sense Shiit has a competitor for a little more than the price of a good lunch.


Edited by AGB100 - 6/12/14 at 9:17am
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post #4530 of 14561
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Originally Posted by Crashem View Post
 

 

I think you will be waiting forever for this.  Sorry man.  I think a KGSSHV is worth around $2500. 

Here in the States the Hugo goes for $2350 new, as of today.  Not $1400, in Great Britain, yeah 1400 pounds.


Edited by elviscaprice - 6/11/14 at 6:13pm
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