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Originally Posted by pytter View Post

Subscribed to this thread a week or so ago and made the mistake of ticking the "immediate update" box basshead.gif

Besides a full inbox and feeling like I know quite a few of you very well by now, you have also managed to convince me that I really need a £1400 portable DAC. 

I hope you all feel proud of yourselves....

Very proud! :-)
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post

Feeding the Hugo with the DX90 using DSD, which output to 24/88 via coax, but still, wow, what a sound. Johannes Brahms, a quintet. Very natural, the cello, so nice and rich, violins, sweet and beautiful harmonics. Wonderful bass foundation and the sound is in front of me using the TH900. 
Ahh.. I feel you.. I have had a lot of those moments since I got the Hugo but mostly with 16/44.1 (as it is what I've got) and I have found myself listening to music that I normally don't as it "suddenly" has become interesting.
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Originally Posted by nOtEcH View Post


Ahh.. I feel you.. I have had a lot of those moments since I got the Hugo but mostly with 16/44.1 (as it is what I've got) and I have found myself listening to music that I normally don't as it "suddenly" has become interesting.

Exactly and the reason I no longer care if I get hires. I have CD rips that sound beautiful and if they sound that way for the instant they hit my ear drum and are gone, how much more do I need? I have 1000's of CD waiting to be ripped in storage and can't wait. I want to rip them and then most likely will only get a few dollars each for them but I no long wish to keep them except for the few collectables I have. Rip them, put them on two different or more hard drives, as I always back up, and move on the having fun with the music. I even played some old MP3, that I normally never touch and they sounded really very good. Just too cool. 

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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
 

Exactly and the reason I no longer care if I get hires. I have CD rips that sound beautiful and if they sound that way for the instant they hit my ear drum and are gone, how much more do I need? I have 1000's of CD waiting to be ripped in storage and can't wait. I want to rip them and then most likely will only get a few dollars each for them but I no long wish to keep them except for the few collectables I have. Rip them, put them on two different or more hard drives, as I always back up, and move on the having fun with the music. I even played some old MP3, that I normally never touch and they sounded really very good. Just too cool. 

Ripping, then selling the original CD.  Not something I would personally post on a public forum....

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Originally Posted by Racy View Post


I don't always disagree with him, but in this case I think he's way off the mark! I think it says a lot that he gushingly enthused over the Auralic Vega, which in my opinion is impressive on the first few listens, but has an artificial exaggerated sound. And grates in the long term! But was lukewarm regarding the Hugo which is so natural and musical in it's presentation!


Actually it doesn't surprise me one bit. It makes a great deal of sense for every professional reviewer (professional meaning they get paid for opinion, like getting paid for having a nether region) to be a musician and intimately familiar with the sound of all instruments and voices. First one has to be a music critic and then an audio equipment critic. Opinions in general are not worth the electrons they're transmitted on and sent into the ether. Opinion is not the same as knowledge; and all opinion is not equal, one to the other. One man's opinion - about anything - may be more valuable than that of another. Technically I will be the first to admit to having deficiencies in knowledge. Musically it's another thing. However, science is science, math is math, and logic is logic.

 

Many audiophiles really like the hyped and surrealist. Nothing wrong with that. Surrealism is used in painting, photography, film, the printed page. These effects are meant to connect to the psyche and they do. If someone cannot hear the dimensionality that, for example, a Hugo can portray (and a whole lot of other natural effects that are part and parcel to the music and are missing in other highly rated DACs), all one can add is that one cannot hear it. It doesn't make the reviewer who cannot hear it a bad guy, it simply makes his hearing less sensitive than that of others. One can argue that a lack of musical experience can be blamed for this insensitivity; however there may be other factors far more subtle.

 

The Chord Hugo has a lot working against it - psychologically that is.  It doesn't seem to be much value for the money. A little silver box with a few unusual features. If one thought of the device as just another portable DAC and couldn't deal with the visible and tactile dichotomies I raised earlier -- these are about making the connection to its extraordinary musical performance, rather than to its diminutive frame, it has to get in the way of one's critical faculties and sensibilities.

 

Look, I have no skin in the game, in general I couldn't care less about one component or another. I will possess as few as possible once I'm done listening to it after a lengthy break in.

 

Also, consider this: The fact that someone prefered the Vega DAC or the Ayre is simply preference for a particular color of sound. Preference for the hyped Oriental, rather than natural European sound in this case. It is what is. There are national and regional preferences  and sometimes these preferences cross continents and cultures. I think a good number of reviewers  might consider subjecting themselves to double blind tests regularly the way I have them done for me. It is incredibly good self-training to not subject oneself to potential self-deception.

 

One problem for a reviewer who runs a website where he's the only reviewer, is being overwhelmed and not being able to break in and listen at length to a component that will accordingly, get short rift in a review. I strongly believe one needs to spend a month or substantially more with a product to understand its personality.


Edited by AGB100 - 6/11/14 at 3:11pm
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Originally Posted by AGB100 View Post
 


OK, let's take it once again, from another angle. Audiostream rated the HUGO in the same class as the $450 Halide. Does that tell you anything? I mean, anything at all? And the Benchmark. Does that say anything at all? Can you now take anything they say seriously? You can?

 

Maybe, YOU, can. I don't.

you're right, just one person's opinion.  frankly, I don't know why you're so threatened by their review.  

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Originally Posted by Hi Rez View Post
 

Ripping, then selling the original CD.  Not something I would personally post on a public forum....

Not to derail. but I wasn't thinking about that. So we can rip but must retain the CD or sell it and get rid of the rip, I would assume. Ok. Seems I never sell anything anyway so most likely would keep the CD's. I have a bunch of SACD's and need to figure out how to effectively copy those but not so easy, for my personal use. 

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Originally Posted by 7ryder View Post
 

you're right, just one person's opinion.  frankly, I don't know why you're so threatened by their review.  

I doubt the poster is threatened but sometimes there is a bit of dismay because of an obvious, to most, difference. Some do not hear any performance of most daps over a iPod and some hear quite a difference from a higher end dap and can't believe that, that person can not hear the difference. 

 

I think that digital can create an artificial expectation of sound, and when the brain is trained to this, that live music will even fall short. We need to obscure the recording to trick the brain into believing this is real music and if it takes going beyond the sound of most natural real music, we then perceive this to be the real sound, and artificial sound becomes the reference, as iPods and earbuds have for many. To this point, a natural sound now fails to excite, exceed and succeed. 

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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
 

I doubt the poster is threatened but sometimes there is a bit of dismay because of an obvious, to most, difference. Some do not hear any performance of most daps over a iPod and some hear quite a difference from a higher end dap and can't believe that, that person can not hear the difference. 

 

I think that digital can create an artificial expectation of sound, and when the brain is trained to this, that live music will even fall short. We need to obscure the recording to trick the brain into believing this is real music and if it takes going beyond the sound of most natural real music, we then perceive this to be the real sound, and artificial sound becomes the reference, as iPods and earbuds have for many. To this point, a natural sound now fails to excite, exceed and succeed. 

It's all good and I'm looking forward to hearing the Hugo in the near future.  

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I dont really think people should take that Class A/Class B from Audiostream into serious consideration. If you look at the Class A, all of them are the highest prices. Class B, lower prices range. Class C, lowest price range. I think its rather seperated on price. On top of it, he dosent list which one is the best out of each CLASS. Bad reviewer.

 

And we dont know he used the same AMP,cables,preamp, speakers etc. All would make a difference.

 

AGB is indeed a fiesty one. :D


Edited by SearchOfSub - 6/11/14 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Onkyo hf And you add the files to there folder as it appears in the in iTunes when the device is connected. I have no music in my iTunes just in the onkyo fdlder
Al

Thanks, Al. Is transferring music to the folder a simple drag and drop affair?
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Originally Posted by 7ryder View Post
 

you're right, just one person's opinion.  frankly, I don't know why you're so threatened by their review.  

 

How's this for a clue?: ADVERTISING DOLLARS.

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Originally Posted by nOtEcH View Post

Hi, and welcome!
You can upload DSD files to a capable app directly (Onkyo HF Player).
You could also make your own ALAC files (Apple lossless) with DSD embedded inside. Using ALAC you can also do wireless streaming bit perfect with apps like 8Player.

Thank you! Can i trouble you to pm me on how to rip Alac files with dsd embedded? Just not to detail this thread smily_headphones1.gif
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I went to a Audio show recently and heard the Auralic Vega where the reviewer lists it as the holy grail of all dacs. It was nothing special. Lampizator 7 room on the other hand was excellent.  Only rooms stood out from the show was Lampizator BIG 7 room and the PS Audio Directstream room. 

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Originally Posted by 7ryder View Post
 

you're right, just one person's opinion.  frankly, I don't know why you're so threatened by their review.  

 

No one's "threatened" about it. It is on the map and a discussion of it, brought up by another post here, is warranted. Especially in light of the inane classification of the device among $450 dacs no one here would ever consider. BTW, was it you who brought up that silly review?

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