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Originally Posted by SearchOfSub View Post
 

IC's, speaker cables, and powercords all make a difference in sound from my experience. Mostly, the speaker cables and IC's play a role in clearing things up and tightening things a bit giving it a better clarity and and bit of more dynamics to your sound. And what a good powercord brings mainly is the overall soundstage depth to the table..

 

ONE CAN TIGHTEN THINGS UP WITH A LEATHER BELT TOO. OR A HANGMAN'S NOOSE.

 

When I first read rewviews of the HUGO having great soundstage and read about the battery power, I perfectly understood it was the battery power that was giving it a good difference to soundstage compared to other dacs and their stock powercord.

 

I'M AFRAID NOT SO. MANY BATTERY POWERED COMPONENTS LACK SONIC QUALITY IN ONE AREA OR ANOTHER. CIRCUITS USE DC, NOT AC, HOWEVER BATTERIES DEPLETE NATURALLY AND WHEN THE CIRCUIT IS POWERED, THE DEPLETION IS ASSISTED. MOREOVER, UNDER DYNAMIC CONDITIONS SOME BATTERY POWERED DEVICES CANNOT KEEP UP BECAUSE OF PS IMPEDANCES NOT BEING LOW ENOUGH. AS THE DIAPER MAN SAYS, IT ALL DEPENDS...DEPENDS HOW WELL THE PS WAS DESIGNED.

 

It's somewhat confusing with all these glorious reviews from here and from professional reviewers saying its an excellent unit for the price beating 4x the cost of dacs out there. But there are those who uses and spend the extra money on powercords and IC's and cables in general, who also know that swapping stock powercords for a good one can also take ANY component in the chain to another level as far as soundstage and overall resolution goes. DON'T BELIEVE THE REVIEWERS, BELIEVE ME.

 

POWER CORDS AND OTHER CABLES ALTER THE DELIVERY OF AC AND POWER BY SHIFTING IMPEDANCES, RESISTANCES, CAPACITANCES, AND INDUCTANCES. IT'S A BALANCING ACT, ESPECIALLY IF THE CABLES ARE LIFTED 20' ABOVE GROUND AND SOMEONE IS WALKING ON THEM. LAY OUT MATTRESSES BELOW JUST IN CASE THE GUY ABOVE GETS A JOLT.

 

It would be great if someone who is running a good DAC with a good powercord can comment on the DAC side of things and compare the two?

 

POWER CORDS ARE MORE RELEVANT FOR POWER AMPS AND LESS SO FOR LOW POWER DEVICES. MY SUGGESTION IS TO GET A POWER CORD THAT IS HOOKED UP DIRECTLY TO THE POWER STATION, BYPASSING ALL THE POWER LINES TO YOUR HOME.

 

In general ,the battery power concept of the HUGO (when used at home) is eliminating all your power issues at your home. TRUE. MINE ALSO DISPENSES CAPPUCCINO WITH CINNAMON ON TOP AND THE FROTH IS FANTASTIC! IT IS THE NEW MODEL HUGO DAC-CAAPPUCCINO MAKER. The same things are made by companies like Shunyata for budget audiophiles to do the same thing. HOW DOES THE SHUNYATA DAC SOUND?

 

So the question is, HUGO being $2,500 - $2,600 in the U.S brand new (no used ones as of yet) has anyone compared it to good known dacs like the AMR 777 or the Lampizator level 4 which can be had for about the same price used? YES. THE AMR AND LAMPIZATOR COMPANIES. (using a good Powercord), I would assume it would be about $300.00 give or take (lets just say you will get a Shunyata HC powercord)

 

HUH?

 

 

This question is strictly for 2 channel stereo enthuasists only who plan to use the HUGO as part of a stereo set-up.

WHY NOT A HUGO THAT DOES 7.1 W. DTS?

 

I WILL TRY TO ANSWER YOU BECAUSE I'M BRAVE BETWEEN 5 & 5:30 PM CENTRAL TIME. DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING I SAY SERIOUSLY! :popcorn:

MAY I INSERT IN CAPS TO DIFFERENTIATE YOUR WORDS FROM MINE? I AM NOT SHOUTING! TRUST ME, I'M A QUIET MAN.

post #4217 of 14560
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Originally Posted by AGB100 View Post

 

In fact, DACs costing $10K using either custom ladder DACs or off the shelf SABREs, whatever, are arguably not in the same league. The reason being that no matter what one does after conversion, no matter how good and fancy are the power supplies and amplifiers, adding tubes to tame the nasties, one cannot make a silk purse of a sow's ear. If the conversion - the number crunching - is not optimum, the rest is just froth, cover-up of the mistakes and/or non-performance, as one cannot expect the ladder DAC or chip to perform as well as the well-executed FPGA and its support systems.

 

I've personally found it's all about how well the analog output stage is executed.

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I'd sell the wife before the cats, my thinking being... none do what you want them to do but at least you'll get rid of any background noise that has the potential to interrupt Hugo listening.

 

>thinks< best I don't call Fortis this week

I'm selling all of the above as it will be worth it to be with Hugo and myself running into the sunset together!

 

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Divorce is another solution to allowing one to buy anything without feedback, electronic or otherwise.

 

How many Hugos does a divorce cost though? 

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Touche Al. I never liked the sound of SABRE dacs either. Some were soft, others hard, but all of them were parts of a complete design, so it is hard to attribute any sound to the SABRE. It measures well, but perhaps other chips sound better.

I have to admit I have Sabre chips in my Oppo sounds good from anything that is hooked up via flash drive storage but if it is it's own cd player loaded up or a external HDD it sounds odd and very different to the flash drive via usb experience but wonder if this is other factors than the dac. 

 

Really wanted to try the Hugo through my speaker system  when I had it for a while to see how it compared to the Oppo Sabre chips (although in theory I know this should be no contest but want to hear it for myself) but my Chord Indigo digital ic was to chunky to fit the Hugo which was bit of a let down for me on the Hugo's part so could not test. Wish I had time to mess around the back of my hi-fi now to of got the optical up and running.  

 

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Originally Posted by SearchOfSub View Post
 

 

 

When I hear things like this about soundstage, this raises another question. HUGO is currently running on battery, if you apply the battery concept, its like getting a good external powercord from furutech, shunyata HC etc and hooking it up to your components.

 

From my personal experience, powercords do make a lot of difference as to soundstage and resolution overall. So the question really is, are you comparing the HUGO to other DACS using stock powercord? I certainly hope not.

This is a question I have been meaning to ask on here, who does the upgraded after market mains cable with this type of small mains dc connector plug the Hugo has in the back if one wants to upgrade the mains pack/cable supplied as they are not the usual connections that hi-fi mains cable/conditioner company's usually cater for from what I have seen.  

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AGB100 is very correct . 100 percent take any really good dac. and they all have two things in common . one is fpga and the other a custom chip.

as there are exceptions like a lampizator or trinity dac they are far simple or plenty of them around.

as he points out the analog output and the psu do matter plenty its the whole as bunch to make it great. 

someone here asked to compare a few dacs I won . the answer is complex but can simple be put in an order but its my order. as someone else may like the order different . but a dac like the hugo or above is not an accident and most really good dacs have a simeler sound .

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does anyone here have a quick hot to with iTunes and onkyo hf. I am doing it and iTunes is screwing with me bad .

post #4221 of 14560
I hate ITunes ... Give me Foobar or Mediamonkey
post #4222 of 14560
My hope for now is my iPhone 5s. So iTunes it is. For me I am j river guy lmao. It's all good as long as we know how to make the damn thing work .
Al
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I've personally found it's all about how well the analog output stage is executed.


A digital to analog converter's main job is to convert a digital signal to an analog signal. If it failed to do that it has failed, period. No amount of power supply capacitance, transformer, regulation, fancy output stage, tubes to tame the nasties, can correct for what is not there. It is, accordingly, NOT about how well the analog output stage is executed. In fact, that is about the last thing to worry about. Other than being body-snatched by extraterrestrials who may do sexual experiments on you,

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I hate ITunes ... Give me Foobar or Mediamonkey


Give me a Ferrari, red please, 2014 model, with two long legged blonds.

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All,this talk I prefere the lambo I had.
Al
post #4226 of 14560
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Give me a Ferrari, red please, 2014 model, with two long legged blonds.

How would you all fit in the car?
post #4227 of 14560
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Originally Posted by AGB100 View Post
 

 

I WILL TRY TO ANSWER YOU BECAUSE I'M BRAVE BETWEEN 5 & 5:30 PM CENTRAL TIME. DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING I SAY SERIOUSLY! :popcorn:

MAY I INSERT IN CAPS TO DIFFERENTIATE YOUR WORDS FROM MINE? I AM NOT SHOUTING! TRUST ME, I'M A QUIET MAN.

 

 

I'm not trying to knock on the HUGO. I've obviously never heard it, but from the reviews I've heard, it seems like it gets raving reviews due to the fact that its portable and has a headphone amp. It really does seem like its a perfect DAC/AMP for those into headphones etc.. I don't know all the technicalities for inpedence,outpedence this and that. Just simply explaining my experience and what I have heard without all the scientific explanation.

 

My purpose of the post was just to see if anyone have used it in a 2-channel setup against similarly priced DACs that can be had RIGHT NOW (YES THIS MINUTE) used or new.

 

I guess this is a HUGO thread so wouldn't expect much bias anyway?


Edited by SearchOfSub - 6/8/14 at 4:01pm
post #4228 of 14560
It is a really perfect dac amp. But it's portible. And that makes it's special and at 2500 it had better be damn special and it is.
Try it you will like it. One last thing it does the hd800 really good that in itself is worth them one alone. .
Al
post #4229 of 14560
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post
 


AGB100 is very correct . 100 percent take any really good dac. and they all have two things in common . one is fpga and the other a custom chip.

as there are exceptions like a lampizator or trinity dac they are far simple or plenty of them around.

as he points out the analog output and the psu do matter plenty its the whole as bunch to make it great. 

someone here asked to compare a few dacs I won . the answer is complex but can simple be put in an order but its my order. as someone else may like the order different . but a dac like the hugo or above is not an accident and most really good dacs have a simeler sound .


Yes, indeed Al, most good DACs should have a similar sound, proper noise shaping, a good output amp with low impedance, and listeners who can hear what they do. Most interesting is that many makers consider theirs "good."  It depends. What Hugo and some of the contenders can do I've covered in a recent post...they are not analog sounding.

 

Analog is NOT the standard. Whomever made it a standard? I'll tell you whom. Those who have skin in the game. Those who are selling analog gear and the magazines whose livelihood depends on advertising revenue from manufacturers who sell analog gear. I love analog, I was a holdout until 2011 or so. So I held onto analog longer than anyone I know. But I saw the light and heard things in good digital reproduction that analog did less well. But a breakthrough did not happen until a few very expensive DACs proved conclusively that they can surpass most of what made analog desirable. We are speaking of testing these DACs against the best analog gear extant.

 

More important are the latest DACs, the Hugo, PS Audio, and possibly one or two others that have leapfrogged over the best of analog reproduction, providing greater dynamic range, smoother and lower distortion sound, far more quiet, and most importantly, greater transparency in agreement with the recording. Meaning, take a good analog tape of the event and a good digital tape, recorded from the line feed from the microphones, and it now becomes easy to test which is closer to the line feed - right at the recording site. We now know that digital will win just about every time in a well-conducted test.

 

We know that analog is not the standard and never should have been thought of as one. The standard is live music as heard through the line feed - as the microphone heard the musicians.

 

We also might recognize that the mic is not a biological device. It is electromechanical. I does not have the shape of the human ear, nor the materials, geometry and dimensions of the human ear. Therefore, it cannot hear exactly the same way as the human ear-brain will.

 

The matter of which is more accurate is easy to determine by setting up a controlled experiment, or a series of them, as specified above, with live instruments and voices as the source and with good monitors and headphones.

 

And we return to Al's contention that most good DACs will sonically resemble each other more than lesser DACs because they have less coloration, distortion and noise, greater transparency, and are therefore more accurate.

 

Being more accurate therefore means more musical, as it cannot logically be musical and not accurate.


Edited by AGB100 - 6/8/14 at 4:15pm
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All,this talk I prefere the lambo I had.
Al
You "had" a Lamborghini?
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