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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

Apple allowed connection via a regular USB docking cable at the request of companies. The reason things are locked down, including why iDevices have never had removable batteries, is that consumers stuff up their devices with dodgy batteries or external devices then blame Apple when they fail or don't work. Apple certification ensures that peripheral makers aren't making rubbish that crashes your iPhone or iPad.

Getting Apple certification is a huge PITA and is of arguable benefit to something like the Hugo.

Hmmm, maybe I'm a touch more cynical than you Amos, but I've always considered Apples decision to lock everything down and keep all connections proprietary, to be a mostly financial one. It keeps customers in the Apple ecosystem and guarantees the sale of far more accessories.

I don't have a Hugo yet, but the level of excitement and pure audio pleasure being expressed on this thread is mesmerising. This device is quickly moving up my list of essential head gear to buy.

Damn all your ears! biggrin.gif

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Good morning wr watts
I have a few questions if i may ask them .
Is the hugo firmware updtaible and if so will there be updtaes ?
Do the headphone outputs have seperate amps ?
al
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Originally Posted by OK-Guy View Post
 

 

personally I think it is a very affordable & well priced product which you'll probably disagree with.


Affordability is in the eyes of one's pockets. I thought the price was outrageous when I first heard of this product. After many days of analyzing not only what's inside, the design sophistication, and it's performance, I agree it is worth it. "Worth it" is not the same thing as "affordable." A Ferrari is worth it, a Girard-Perregaux complication is worth it. Given the general scheme of things, that the American middle class has been wiped out, it is not affordable.

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Originally Posted by OK-Guy View Post
 

 

it's a DAC/Amp Al


It's a very good DAC-AMP Al.

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Originally Posted by FortisFlyer75 View Post
 

Agree, I have Wav files which sound stella from a Win cpu.

 

For some reason although in theory it should not be a difference far as I can make out the WAV files sounded better to my ears than flac files through the Hugo?

 

Would be interested to if there is a reason for this if Mr.Watt's happens to know the answer to this would be gratefully appreciated. 


FLAC is a compression algorithm and WAV is not. FLAC requires greater processing power, ergo, there is some loss. Some people deny it, others hear it, I really never ran a test. All my CDs are ripped WAV. On some weekend nights I get ripped.

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Originally Posted by AGB100 View Post
 


It's a very good DAC-AMP Al.

 

 

so is a PHA-2 but it doesn't come close to the Hugo, performance wise... as for the financial plight of middle-class America, I think it's best if you look closer to home, dumping the blame at Chord's front-door is kinda far-flung even by my mystical standards.

 

 

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Originally Posted by CraftyClown View Post


I don't have a Hugo yet, but the level of excitement and pure audio pleasure being expressed on this thread is mesmerising. This device is quickly moving up my list of essential head gear to buy.

Damn all your ears! biggrin.gif

 

it should be top, end of... Damn your wallet... :veryevil:

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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

I am interested to hear from CIEM users, can you guys comment on what CIEM you are using with HUGO?
will let you know too next week;) but I got a feeling too it will just sound great with any of my ciems because it's a proper desktop source despite of its size.
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there is flac with no compression as well . i posed this question on many web sites the answers are mixed . as the wav does not do meta data easy its a no go for me. i have never heard a change in sound . my question was based on is there a native file format for any given dac. the answers were no . this hobby has many do and don't s . the ones that have been around longer just seem to have to be right. my questions were posed to the dac makers .

a word of advice for iem users . we all have them or most and we like to think they give us all the details . far better then anything else. the true answer is they do not . they gives good sound and make the surroundings quite. . but they are anything but accurate in judging buying new gear. if all that will be used the iem is fine. but if the intent is headphones and or speakers . the true is answer will not be found or much more difficult to find with iem,s .

when i went to buy the hugo i took 3 sets of ciem,s with me as they all sounded good none sound anything as good as the hd800 does. the comparison for me was easy it was the hibino hdp r10 . the hugo is in another universe compared to it. my point is as i did by it in the end . but if the race was closer the iem,s do not portrey
the all the details of improvement of a device that may be better or worse.

food for thought i hope this is understood.
al
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Originally Posted by AGB100 View Post
 


FLAC is a compression algorithm and WAV is not. FLAC requires greater processing power, ergo, there is some loss. Some people deny it, others hear it, I really never ran a test. All my CDs are ripped WAV. On some weekend nights I get ripped.

I know the part about FLAC compressing to a degree still but was under the impression (most probably marketing spill) that there was no loss to hearing it in theory.  

 

I must be hearing it is all I can say.  I only went to FLAC to save a bit of space on the Sony ZX1 Walkman and WAV was not tagging properly with album art like previous Walkman's I had so seemed an obvious way forwards.  

 

Still sounds okay in FLAC but there is a definite difference in a WAV file sound to FLAC and have to say WAV is more a realistic tonal qualities to it's sound presentation which is only more apparent now it is heard on a Hugo to me.  

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Originally Posted by harmonix View Post
 

 

 

 

I guess its a matter of perspective.

 

A $2k+ purchase for what is a non-essential spend is alot of money period.  At the same time the Chord is the first device I have heard that offers performance at that price bracket and is portable. There are DAC's out there which outperform the Hugo - make no mistake but many of them are in the nosebleed territory. The cheapest one I can think of is the Meitner MA-1 but then at $5k a pop that is already way past nosebleed for most people.

 

It like a situation where we wished we could own a Ferrari Italia but don't have the $$$ Hey but then Nissan has GT-R not as good but way cheaper.

The reality is most people won't care for or pay for a GT-R not to mention an Italia - the point is lost on them.

 

High end audio is pretty much the same way.

Pushing the envelope and getting things cheaper - you bump into a wall called diminishing returns at which point it is no longer commercially viable because the masses probably are happy with a beats headphone and their iphone listening to lossy digital.


Have you had a chance to compere it with the Meitner? I personally haven't heard anything up to $10K that can compare, but I too, have not heard everything. Others report that the Hugo parallels or beats out some of the highest rated DACs up to and over $10K. Given that, and I have no reason to doubt these reports, how could the Hugo not be considered a bargain? OK, so you don't get a 50 lb. chunk of aluminum and large rubber feet, or a 20lb transformer for the extra $7500 + you'd spend otherwise. Go to a junk yard and pick up some aluminum for $20 and be done with it! :evil:

 

Value is difficult for most people to determine. As a trader I do that every day...actually every moment. As an appraiser for a couple of decades, ditto. Accordingly, the class in VALUATION 101 is, what price is it "worth," what shall I pay for anything? What price will you pay for a business, let's say I wanted to buy the Chord company and Rob Watts' talents?

 

How many years of the company's revenue is the price? Will the company accept an offer that fits into the standard multiplier formulas generally used to purchase businesses?

 

The rule of thumb for what anything is worth is: THE PRESENT VALUE OF FUTURE BENEFITS.

 

Given that the DCS stack, most likely better than the Hugo, is $108,000, and given that in a decade or less you'll likely resell it, how much will it be worth then? $25,000? $35,000? Who will pay anything for a decade old technology? It's an interesting question, is it not? Lets reverse that:

 

You had just saved $105,600 by buying a Hugo and invested it for let's say 5% interest compounded. At the end of the term you have more or less doubled your money to a quarter million with which you bought yourself a Ferrari GT. You had also saved the environment from having to produce toxic chunks of aluminum. The Creator looks down on you kindly and you meet two long-legged blonds who invite you for a vacation on a Caribbean island and you won't have to pay for it, Lucky Dude you!

 

OK, there's a downside to the last scenario: You will have to pay $19 per day to park your Ferrari at the airport before heading out to the Caribbean island with the two blonds.


Edited by AGB100 - 6/8/14 at 5:52am
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Originally Posted by seeteeyou View Post
 

Since both 3.5-mm jacks should be active simultaneously, could we create so-called pseudo-balanced output by bridging both single-ended outputs? Of course NOT meant to be true balanced at all but I wonder if there were any improvements, an adapter similar to this one could be tested with Hugo

 

Cant we use the RCA out somehow? 

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the hugo is a good product, but lets not get crazy and call it a giant killer now scroll back a little i posted a pic to possible answer some questions if need be.
all
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Originally Posted by AGB100 View Post


Affordability is in the eyes of one's pockets. I thought the price was outrageous when I first heard of this product. After many days of analyzing not only what's inside, the design sophistication, and it's performance, I agree it is worth it. "Worth it" is not the same thing as "affordable." A Ferrari is worth it, a Girard-Perregaux complication is worth it. Given the general scheme of things, that the American middle class has been wiped out, it is not affordable.
Well stated sir. You've given the one honest and sober argument for the hopefully still rational who waiver precariously purchased on the fence of indecision. For those who are a part of Romney's forty-seven percent $2.3K is not kleingeld.
Edited by bpcans - 6/8/14 at 5:20am
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Attention to all the proud Cord Hugo Owners:

 

I love the sound of the Cord Hugo it's amazing!  As a newbie to the Head-Fi community and digital music in general,  one of the most frustrating things I've encountered is "how one connects the Hugo to a well selected device that acts essentially as a User Interface (UI), provides musical selection, storage and is the input feed to the Cord Hugo" to make it a truly portable player.   

 

I though it would be beneficial to everyone in the Cord Hugo community to develop a common baseline (sheet of paper) we could all contribute to and work from based on our collective experiences and I'm asking for your help!

 

Coming from the engineering side, I constructed a product comparison / feature matrix.  It is typically used when we have a number of products that we want to compare and contrast.  It's very helpful to quickly construct a SWOT analysis. SWOT is a structured planning method used to evaluate the Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, and Threat of potential products.  It this case the products I've referenced are the ones many folks in the forum discuss. 

 

I've used Google sheets so we can all contribute to the document.

 

Link below:

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgLWh8wp5wuHdHlZc00yVndOM1NRekU4X1dTN0w0ZEE&usp=sharing

 

I'm really excited to see the outcome of this and will provide support as needed.

 

I would like to thank each and everyone in advance.

Respectfully,

Speedracer1 

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i can loan you my hibino hdp r 10 to add to your file . keep it for acouple of weeks and add it to your list. the product is discounted now. so plenty of peole are buying. now its not in the league of the hugo but it is a dap so one stop shop.
and being its cheap now a possible transport to use.
al
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