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Originally Posted by nOtEcH View Post


It seems like your player is down sampling your files. Hugo won't do that and it isn't a cable problem.
If your player could deliver 24/192 the Hugo would play it, and with a bad cable it would be clicking (drop outs) or not play at all. Your files play at 24/96 and that has nothing to do with the Hugo. It plays what it gets if it can play it.. and in your case it does. wink.gif

Edit:
Do you have the latest firmware? Seems to be the October 15, 2013 release.
And I would suggest that you send Oppo an e-mail regarding this issue, as there are a lot of settings on this player and it seems easy to get lost in the menu even for experienced people.

I think you are right. I have tried a cheap coaxial cable and it's also down sampling to 48KHz (orange light). I can't find anything in the Oppo 95 manual but I have just found this in the Oppo BDP105d manual and I assume it's the same:

 

␣    Due to bandwidth limitations, high resolution audio formats such as Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD High Resolution and DTS-HD Master Audio cannot be sent through the coaxial or optical digital audio output. A reduced resolution version of the same audio track will be output instead. To listen to high resolution audio formats in their best quality, please use the HDMI connection if you have a receiver that handles HDMI audio (see page 11) or use the multi-channel analogue outputs if you do not (see page 18).

␣    Due to copyright restrictions, SACD audio cannot be sent through the coaxial or optical digital audio output. To listen to SACDs, please use the HDMI or analogue audio connections.

␣    Due to copyright restrictions and bandwidth limitations, full resolution audio from DVD-Audio discs cannot be sent through the coaxial or optical digital audio output. To listen to DVD- Audio in full resolution, please use the HDMI or analogue audio connections.

 

So it seems if this is applies to the BDP95 as well, I have to go through analogue (which rules out the Hugo) or HDMI (which would require some kind of digital audio splitter).

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post #3467 of 8309

Thanks for the inform on the SACD/ coaxial restriction!


Edited by SleepyOne - 5/25/14 at 9:56am
post #3468 of 8309
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Originally Posted by SleepyOne View Post
 

Thanks for the inform on the SACD/ coaxial restriction!

Yes, I knew SACD wouldn't work. You can of course play the CD layers on hybrid SACDs through an Oppo to the Hugo. It's just frustrating that the other hi res formats are being down sampled as well. Mind you, it still sounds good!

post #3469 of 8309

I didn't realise other hi res formats from say usb stick will be down sampled too lol!

post #3470 of 8309

As previously noted Oppo players conform to the record label's guidelines and mostly only send high resolution audio out of the HDMI port. 

But some people have successfully gotten high resolution PCM from shiny disks in Oppo players. Older DVD-A disks that have high resolution stereo tracks will play out full resolution through the coax port. I've found that it's much easier to rip the files than battle the consumer electronics copy protection in hardware.

DVD Audio Extractor works with some Blu-Rays but doesn't work with others. I've only used the Mac version, YMMV. For Neil Young's work, the DVD-A of Harvest is easy to rip with DVD Audio Extractor. Or we can just wait until the Pono Store opens in October (and of course pay one more time for music that we already own!). 

If you're dead set on a hardware solution there was a discussion on avsforum about which hdmi/spdif audio splitters work with Oppo players. I tried the Kanex pro and got 88.2/16bit from SACD's out of my Oppo. I've read that others work at full 24 bits.  

Searching 'hdmi audio splitter spdif' on amazon give you a lot of things to try. 

On www.meridianunplugged.com there is also a lot of discussion on getting HDMI>Spdif. Several outboard boxes and mods to Oppo players have been successfully employed to send high resolution multichannel PCM to Meridian theater systems that use coax connections. I used an Octava brand HDMI switch that was modded by a guy named Shawn Fogg. It gave 6 channels of PCM through 3x SPDIF cables and was high resolution, even from copy protected disks like yours. He appears to be out of that business but somebody may still have one of his units. Others had luck with something called a 'Clux'. All that died down once Meridian came up with their own solution. Unfortunately there is some kind of encryption called MHR on that device. It also costs more than an oppo player. Check out the wiki

http://www.meridianunplugged.com/wiki/index.php?title=HDMI_Solutions

My Sean Fogg Octava eventually died, I may have tossed it but it may be in my spare parts bin. I could possibly dig it out. The daughter card could probably be rescued and soldered into a new unit if one were very handy with these things. It may have been as simple as a dead wall wart. 

My advice is to rip or search for torrents from people who have successfully ripped. You paid for the music and you should be able to listen to it. I really can't imagine getting prosecuted for downloading something you already own. 

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I've done many HDMI de-embedders (Atlona, Monoprice,etc) and have a full thread (sticky in my HiRez Music Circle on AC) I started 4 years ago with reviews of them, since at the time it was the only consumer way of pulling anything greater than redbook off of SACDS (this was prior to my SACD Ripping guide days).   It worked for DVD-A and BluRay audio, too...most easily 2 channel.  But it was still a cheap non-optimized solution.

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=82217.0

 

It's much easier (and better sq) to simply rip DVD-Audio (whether LPCM or PPCM) via DVD-Audio Extractor or DVDA_Explorer.  The former has updated Windows and MAC licenses that work just fine.  The latter is often hard to find. 

 

My many DVD-A rips on Hugo each sound sublime. 

 

Hmmm....I have hundreds of multichannel rips too...can you say stacked Hugos?  !!  :)  Would be interesting to go up against my exaSound E28 or stacked Myteks. 

post #3472 of 8309

Hey Folks,

I just ordered the Seagate Wireless Plus 2TB for use with my iPad2 and iPhone5 and the Hugo (first version).  My music is mostly 88.2/24 flac files from SACD's, but also rips from DVD-A, Vinyl, and CD, as well as HDTracks and iTunes purchases.

I've A/B a few albums DSD vs highres flac, and I'm not sure the difference is worth a great deal of hassle or going without tags or album art. Korg Audiogate seems to have done a good enough job of converting.

I've searched the forums and haven't found a concise guide for setting it all up. I've confirmed that the Onkyo Player will play DSD that is stored on my iPad via the CCK.

I bought the pro version of 8Player. I was not sure that I needed the pro version, but I'm happy to support a developer who is working in our area. Without the Seagate I'm not seeing any music to play with it. 

Of course I'd like the best music playback, but I'd also like a decent user interface, and the fewest number of wires and batteries to charge. My iPad is getting old and doesn't hold a battery charge the way it used to. So I'm not totally against replacing it. Best case would be Seagate>iPhone5>CCK>USB cable>Hugo. 

Thanks in advance...

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Originally Posted by ted_b View Post
 

I've done many HDMI de-embedders (Atlona, Monoprice,etc) and have a full thread (sticky in my HiRez Music Circle on AC) I started 4 years ago with reviews of them, since at the time it was the only consumer way of pulling anything greater than redbook off of SACDS (this was prior to my SACD Ripping guide days).   It worked for DVD-A and BluRay audio, too...most easily 2 channel.  But it was still a cheap non-optimized solution.

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=82217.0

 

It's much easier (and better sq) to simply rip DVD-Audio (whether LPCM or PPCM) via DVD-Audio Extractor or DVDA_Explorer.  The former has updated Windows and MAC licenses that work just fine.  The latter is often hard to find. 

 

My many DVD-A rips on Hugo each sound sublime. 

 

Hmmm....I have hundreds of multichannel rips too...can you say stacked Hugos?  !!  :)  Would be interesting to go up against my exaSound E28 or stacked Myteks. 

Wow, that's a long thread. I think I'll have a look through it tomorrow. The Kanex Pro seems an interesting device and at $56 on Amazon at the moment is very reasonably priced. Ideally it would be great if I could have all my disks ripped properly but maybe this is the next best solution? Are you using one of the old PS3s to extract DSD from your SACDs?

post #3474 of 8309

Yes, I am the one who wrote the guide 

SACD Ripping Primer Ver 4.0 is available here:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3487125/SACD%20ripper%20primer%20v4.0.pdf

 

or at the last entry of our DSD database here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgVhKcl_3lHfdFVyenBBNjNpQ2lieG81WGpqQTNfVUE#gid=0

post #3475 of 8309

UK joke - what has the Hugo and UKIP got in common?

 

they both know how to slay the competition... :tongue_smile:

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Originally Posted by OK-Guy View Post

UK joke - what has the Hugo and UKIP got in common?

they both know how to slay the competition... tongue_smile.gif
What's the chord Hugo and my Mrs got in common? they both cost a small fortune
What's the difference between the chord Hugo and my Mrs,one has a on- off switch and the other doesn't.Think I'll stick to my day job i ain't no comedian
post #3477 of 8309
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Originally Posted by Hifi Nutter View Post

What's the difference between the chord Hugo and my Mrs,one has a on- off switch and the other doesn't.Think I'll stick to my day job i ain't no comedian

 

I'll order you a taxi ambulance... don't forget to pack the Hugo. :wink_face:

post #3478 of 8309
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Originally Posted by ted_b View Post
 

Yes, I am the one who wrote the guide 

SACD Ripping Primer Ver 4.0 is available here:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3487125/SACD%20ripper%20primer%20v4.0.pdf

 

or at the last entry of our DSD database here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgVhKcl_3lHfdFVyenBBNjNpQ2lieG81WGpqQTNfVUE#gid=0

Thanks for this.

post #3479 of 8309
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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

yea, mine did not came with the 3.5 to toslink I had to get the plug in for it which didnt work. I am waiting the VDH cable to arrive by end of next week. 
My stock cable worked and the sys-concept cable worked but the Optocoupier Van den Hul wouldn't play the 24/192 only the 24/96.
post #3480 of 8309
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

Doesnt work for me with 24/192 only 24/96 with AK240. Sys Concept cable works a treat though.
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