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I've tried Hugo with the HD650 s ( though with better cables) the HD800, Beyer T1s and Audeze LCD X. In their different ways they all sound lovely!
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Originally Posted by sa92058 View Post

To bad it isn't that good sonically.

Would you care to elaborate? Not good sonically compared to what? The DCS Vivaldi? MSB Diamond? Trinity DAC?

You can't just throw out statements like that without any context ...
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Don't get me wrong it's great that I love the product but it's ok guy that is helping to sell the product,Me spouting off in ere isn't

 

I only promote shows & events... you buy from Phil. :normal_smile :

 

btw I heard Rob likes a pint of Guinness... so I guess he's pure genius. 

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Originally Posted by SleepyOne View Post
 

 

That isn't correct. You don't have to switch off Hugo every time you change format. You could just stop the music and change the format (say on foobar) before you start the new song in a different format. I do that all the time without any cut off. 

 

The problem with the audio output RCA holes size is improved (approx. 13mm) with the revised chassis unit - common RCA plug would probably be ok.


Still horrible.

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My SECOND Hugo that i just got recently sounds DIFFERENT than the first one i had to return because of a coax jack issue. The second unit has even more body and low end punch than the first unit.I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THE SECOND UNIT SOUNDS SLIGHTLY BETTER! Sounds like something has been changed on the board. Maybe Rob Watts needs to comment on this.

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Originally Posted by sa92058 View Post
 

My SECOND Hugo that i just got recently sounds DIFFERENT than the first one i had to return because of a coax jack issue. The second unit has even more body and low end punch than the first unit.I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THE SECOND UNIT SOUNDS SLIGHTLY BETTER! Sounds like something has been changed on the board. Maybe Rob Watts needs to comment on this.

 

seeing as you're not that impressed, fancy swapping your Hugo for my PHA-2?... you know you wanna... :tongue_smile:

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Still horrible.

 

Try Marantz NA11S1 and see how it handles changes - it does it by pausing.

 

If you make a change mid way though music via foobar, of course it has a small lag before change occurs. 

If you use foo_dsd_asio on foobar you could play whatever format without any changes (again no cut off). Not clear what is the bit rate but the frequency rate seems ok. Also for DSD, it plays what you set it on the driver either DSD2.8 or DSD5.6.

 

Otherwise if not happy, sell it.


Edited by SleepyOne - 5/15/14 at 3:52pm
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No idea why your one doesn't work. Normally it is the ground (black) wire that is used to detect the device rather than the +5V. I have 2 cables that either has the whole +5V (red) wire removed (i.e no red wire in the cable) or cut off at the USB A end and 2 cables with the +5V contact point taped up, all those without any problem. I think holeout solder his own usb cables and the +5V wire isn't connected. Thus no idea why yours didn't work. BTW did you cut the red wire or alternatively which contact point did you taped up?

 

PS. when you said turning off via JCat, does that mean the whole power (both the +5V and the ground) are turned off? If that is the case, then your PC would not detect Hugo because it needs the ground wire to function. 

The first 1000 boards of the current batch of 5000, Chord activated a present, but not originally used, sense circuit that detects that the 5 volt is there and allows the USB ASIC to power up. This saves more power when the HD USB is not in use. This extends the battery time of the current units. Although the Chord Hugo does not need the 5volt USB power they do sense that it's there. 


The current Hugo now needs to have all four wires so it can see the five volts from the source device USB. Even though it doesn't take measurable power, it does sense that it is there.

 

I'm doing a ton of experimenting with all kinds of connections not just USB to optimize the use of these units. And will start to post our findings as time goes on. Such as what RCAs work better for the Coax digital input over the Analog, as the fit is different between the 2 female RCAs. We are using a Kimber Digital RCA connector now on our Moon Audio Black Dragon Mini Coax cable. I will be posting pictures to the website soon here at this link:

 

http://www.moon-audio.com/black-dragon-75-ohm-mini-coax-digital-cable-for-the-hifiman-player.html

 

We are already make our Moon Audio Silver Dragon and Blue Dragon with Micro connectors as seen here:

 

http://www.moon-audio.com/audio-cables.html?cat=13&manufacturer=57

 

Our Blue Dragon Mini to standard Toslink cable works great for the Astell & Kern hook up to the Hugo as seen here:

 

http://www.moon-audio.com/moon-audio-blue-dragon-toslink-digital-cable.html

 

We are designing a higher quality Silver Dragon Toslink cable that utilizes a higher grade fiber optic member. It is recommended for 24bit 192kHz and DSD. We will have custom fit version for the AK100/120 to Hugo. Custom fit versions for the AK240 to Hugo and custom fit for other units like the AK to Centrance Hifi-M8 and AK to iQube V3 and upcoming V5

 

These toslink cables only fit the new Hugo Chassis with bigger openings. The Kimber RCA works no matter what version you have. I will give a list of mini 3.5mm plugs that work on the Chassis. 

 

We are finalizing Apple Certified MFI versions of our Silver Dragon V1 IEM and Black Dragon V1 IEM LOD cables. But These will only work with 16bit/48kHz. We will have new LODs for use which will work upto 24/192 with Lightning connectors for the upcoming Apple software release that will left the limit on the digital output resolution from iPads/iPhones/iTouches. How ever all of these require a camera connection kit for use with the Hugo. Once these are finalized through the Apple MFI process we are going to see if we can create a Lightning cable with the Camera connection kit built inot it to solve the need for 2 cables to connect the Apple iDevices to Dacs like the Hugo. 

 

There is a tone of info on the web on the new Apps for Apple products like from Onkyo and AmpliFlac to help you output higher resolution and Flac files for example. Do a quick search for these. 

 

The Hugo is simply put a game changer in terms of performance. It is jaw dropping good. And everyone else designing products in this category is going to have to play catch up!! If you have not also tried to use this in your Home rig I would definitely get it in there. It is slaying Dacs twice it's price. If you are not aware the charging circuit is a trickle charge circuit so the unit is always drawing DC vs AC. Thus there is no Power Supply noise. So you can run it hooked up to the charger all day long with no interference from the wall wart.

 

For Android devices see this very informative webpage:

 

http://www.extreamsd.com/USBAudioRecorderPRO/

 

This is an app for use with Android based products. All you need is a standard "on the go " USB cable which let's the source device know to transmit to the Hugo. The Hugo comes with a basic cable and any of our USB cables can be set up as an "on the go" just let us know you need one.

 

Hope some of this info helps. If I duplicated anything already mentioned in the thread I apologize:)

Thank You. Drew Baird, P.E. Moon Audio 308 Chrismill Lane Holly Springs, NC 27540 919-649-5018 drew@moon-audio.com http://www.moon-audio.com Moon...

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Originally Posted by SleepyOne View Post
 

 

Try Marantz NA11S1 and see how it handles changes - it does it by pausing. If you make a change mid way though music via foobar, of course it has a small lag before change occurs. Otherwise if not happy, sell it, simple.

 

PS. if you use foo_dsd_asio on foobar you could play whatever format without any changes (again no cut off). Not clear what is the bit rate but the frequency rate seems ok. Also for DSD, it plays what you set it on the driver either DSD2.8 or DSD5.6 


That Marantz NA11S1 looks very nice, how does it sound, do you like it?

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I like Marantz's DSD play back, very impressive. Its PCM I am less keen. It feels as if the DAC works very hard to please you, like let's put some power here, lets try to create some 3D etc. I found on PCM the 3D is only so so and timing is too slow. But on DSD 3D feel natural, especially on recording that is done in analogue originally (sounds analogue like). I demo it via speakers system. Its headphone amp output didn't handle T1 well. Note usb port at the back (not front) is supposed to be its best input.


Edited by SleepyOne - 5/15/14 at 4:32pm
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Thanks Drew,

Awesome info update.:happy_face1:

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What impresses so much is the way the Hugo handles regular resolution files. I don't know how it pulls out the sound it does. The echo, slap from the walls of the environment, if they are there, the openness, details I had not heard before and could not imagine where there. This impresses me more than the hi res/dsd because it makes so much of my well recorded red book, so much more than what it was. I would buy it just for that. 

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I think the Chord Hugo is really a game changer. I read from folks on this forum and elsewhere that it's the best dac for money or as good as the ones double priced.

 

 I'd like to ask anyone who read this if they have heard any other dac at any price that can beat the Hugo in sound quality. If you did, please tell what it is and what aspect of SQ you like better ?


Edited by TLS1 - 5/15/14 at 4:45pm
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Is the Hugo as much of a revolution in audio to what the ESL-57's electrostatics was with loudspeakers decades ago?

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Originally Posted by TLS1 View Post
 

I think the Chord Hugo is really a game changer. I read from folks on this forum and elsewhere that it's the best dac for money or as good as the ones double priced.

 

 I'd like to ask anyone who read this if they have heard any other dac at any price that can beat the Hugo in sound quality. If you did, please tell what it is and what aspect of SQ you like better ?

I have the new PS Audio DirectStream on it's way to us that I will compare.

Thank You. Drew Baird, P.E. Moon Audio 308 Chrismill Lane Holly Springs, NC 27540 919-649-5018 drew@moon-audio.com http://www.moon-audio.com Moon...

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