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Part of the problem is that to get the most out of good DSD, requires a bit of money. I am not sure that many are willing to lay out this cash. I also think more can be heard on a good home speaker system but do to limitations in ones environment, a full speaker system is not feasible and in my case, not even a small speaker system so I compromise, for me, with doing the best I can with a mobile system. IMO. 

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I've been experimenting with Seagate Wireless Plus and ended up with the 8Player as the best one to pair it with.

High resolution ALAC files plays very well (tried 24/96 and 24/192) as well as 16/44.1 ALAC files.

One important thing though.. the player settings must be set at "Native iOS" to work properly, or else everything will be played as 16/44.1.

Another thing that I found out is that the mini DLNA server on the Wireless Plus does not support gapless playback. That is a shame though.. as while listening to albums that are ment to put you in a trance, you get out of it each time a new track comes along..

I have the hacked version of the Seagate disk, and have asked the developers to make support for gapless playback.. but I don't know if it ever will make the todo list.. I hope so though.. smily_headphones1.gif
post #2163 of 7868
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Originally Posted by seeteeyou View Post
 

QLS QA360 is coming soon and it could even support DoP via its digital output, we'll have another interesting device for comparison

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/708636/qls-qa360-another-dsd-capable-dap

 


 

I realized that Audioquest Toslink cables won't be any good for Hugo's recessed jack. Have you guys seen anything similar to this particular adapter that really does fit the jack?

 

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I find these degrade the optical signal. It is a nice concept though and have tried them off and on for years. 

post #2164 of 7868

Ouch, many thanks for sharing your experience. It's such a daunting task to try filing the plug down since that's AudioQuest Diamond OptiLink instead of Cinnamon or Forest.

post #2165 of 7868
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Ouch, many thanks for sharing your experience. It's such a daunting task to try filing the plug down since that's AudioQuest Diamond OptiLink instead of Cinnamon or Forest.

The adapter should be 2 or 3 dollars, worth a try but then shipping, so. . . if more than that, it is way too much. 

post #2166 of 7868

Just one question : should a AK240>HUGO sound better than my AK100>HUGO. Logicaly there is no reason, but....?  

 

Anyone compared ? 

 

thanks in advance


Edited by bmichels - 4/20/14 at 1:23pm
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The AK240 will send DSD, the AK100, from what I understand will not. I have read, no experience, that the sound of the Ak240 feeding the Hugo sounds better.

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The AK240 will send DSD, the AK100, from what I understand will not. I have read, no experience, that the sound of the Ak240 feeding the Hugo sounds better.

 

you are right for DSD files, but for PCM ???

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you are right for DSD files, but for PCM ???

I don't know, the AK240 might send a better digital signal, just speculation. I would ask more of someone who has compared both. 

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Not to start this issue again but I do think DSD and PCM sound different and high resolution material sounds different from lower resolution material.

 

Surprise #1)

 

Higher resolution material does NOT give you more "solid" imaging.

In fact it gives you more subtle imaging and the various musicians, instruments and voices are not so starkly etched and differentiated from one another. My observation is that there are less sharp fine "borders" - it is a continuum not stick drawing. 

 

Surprise #2)

 

Higher resolution material should give you more dynamics - more punchy. Partly true I find myself needing to turn up the volume 3-5 dB higher to get the same volume.

DSD just sounds more "natural" that doesn't say anything so if you were to pin it down - it is the attack and decay to me which sounds more natural vs. PCM. I know some people prefer PCM for that "punch/spike". That kind of thing typically reminds me of live performances where the sound or mixing board setup has a screw up. Never with acoustic instruments.

post #2171 of 7868
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Not to start this issue again but I do think DSD and PCM sound different and high resolution material sounds different from lower resolution material.

 

Surprise #1)

 

Higher resolution material does NOT give you more "solid" imaging.

In fact it gives you more subtle imaging and the various musicians, instruments and voices are not so starkly etched and differentiated from one another. My observation is that there are less sharp fine "borders" - it is a continuum not stick drawing. 

 

Surprise #2)

 

Higher resolution material should give you more dynamics - more punchy. Partly true I find myself needing to turn up the volume 3-5 dB higher to get the same volume.

DSD just sounds more "natural" that doesn't say anything so if you were to pin it down - it is the attack and decay to me which sounds more natural vs. PCM. I know some people prefer PCM for that "punch/spike". That kind of thing typically reminds me of live performances where the sound or mixing board setup has a screw up. Never with acoustic instruments.


Agreed. I am finding dsd is more analogue sounding.
post #2172 of 7868

Here is some of my findings:

 

1-No difference between RCA out or mini out: In by-bass mod the device is set to automatically set all its output on 2.0 vrm which is the popular output use on many devices. No audible difference was heard in my test

 

2-Background of HUGO output stage is not completely black: Using my sensitive IEM I can hear background noise that remain there and can get noticeable on quiet passage in classical music. For most it will not be a problem but for those of us who have the mentality of "once I heard it it cannot really go away" it will be noticeable. This is why I had to use an amp for those sensitive IEM.

 

3-To amp or not to amp: The only time I like to use an amp is using my sensitive IEM, other cases using an amp is really pointless as it will alter the house sound of HUGO. For example using my 627x the HUGO house sound is masked as I can hear the 627x most of all than the one I have become accustom to when listening to HUGO. So in short if you like the sound of your amp than use the amp otherwise there is no point.

This is why I am not in search of a neutral amp that has no coloration of its own.

 

Wishes:

 

I hope in future iteration the background of the HUGO becomes more quiet, as it currently stands it is okay but it is not quiet as I hope it to be in order for me to be able to use all my gears with ease and confidence.

post #2173 of 7868

pardon me for jumping in here but I'm still pretty new to all this and I have a question/ observation and maybe a few more experience folks can shed some light for me. I'm using a MBP w/ Audirvana Plus, Peachtree Grand Integrated X-1 amp & a Chord Hugo DAC and B&W 805d speakers with all Kimber Kable connections.  I have noticed the following when playing DSD files:

 

1. with the A+ Pref's set to use Automatic detection, it seems to default to 32bit PCM with my EQ settings in tact and performing as setup.

 

2. with the A+ Pref's set to DSD over PCM, it will play them in DSD64, however, changing the EQ settings as no effect, essentially it's defaulting to a Flat setting. Changing/ increasing the Adjust db settings will allow the DSD's to play louder at lower volume levels on my Peachtree Grand Integrated x1 amp

 

3. with the A+ Pref's set to the other DSD conversation (can't remember the exact term), no sound at all.

 

4. as far as background noise is concerned, I have all digital volume dithering disabled and controlling the volume with the Peachtree amp.  I have not been able to detect any background noise at all.  Completely dead silent for me  but my (50 year old ears) hearing may not be as sensitive as others.

 

Look forward to reading some helpful reply's  

 

Greetings - Papa Kief

post #2174 of 7868

Background noise is completely non-audible on my home setup as my speaker and amp but when I plug in something like CK100PRO or FAD VI I can hear it. Those two are very sensitive IEM and I always use them to check and noise for my portable amplifiers.

 

As far as DSD goes there are some I had and there are some I love, upon further reading the one I hated was not originally recorded in a native DSD format and was a remastered into SACD that I extracted into ISO later one myself.

 

The amazing thing about HUGO is before that I did not notice those thing which I hate about those album now but than I never had an amp that played DSD natively and therefore all were downsampled to 24/176.2 PCM.

 

I think HUGO for its size and performance has set a new benchmark. I cannot say whether it is worth it or not for others as it is something for them to decided but it is certainly a great "value" for me. I can live with its performance with sensitive IEM as I can always use my neutral amp that do not alter the DAC sound, I am certainly happy with it. Sure its BT section is not to the level I hope it would be but I never use that method anyway. 

 

I just hope they can release some hugo specific accessories like cables for idevices and good rca-rca, or rca-mini cable that can fit the HUGO easily.

 

It would have been nice to have a better accessory kit provided in the box with HUGO considering its price (like better USB cable or at least some RCA cap protectors) but that is something for them to decide and for us consumors to wish for, at the end there is always that guy who would wish for more accessories regardless how much accessories there is in the box. 

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Me too I have a very hard time hearing any effect of the cross-feed feature. Is it normal that the effect is this subtle? Could my unit be at fault? Thanks for your answers...

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