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Originally Posted by nOtEcH View Post


Please stop saying bypass , it is a preset volume.

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I see that you have been corrected after your posting. But I must say that I get quite irritated about you questioning a fact that has been stated over and over again in this thread, as if you try to confuse people. You questioning the quality of the Hugo earlier in this thread, while promoting your own stuff is also irritating me. Why not promote your own stuff in a Cavalli thread? Maybe it is because the Hugo is the hottest thing available in the market at the moment? And that this thread would be the best marketing channel for you?
As a member of commerce you should tread carefully as it is very easy to question your intensions and that is in my opinion not a good thing for your brand.

The Hugo is the best thing that has happened to the world of portable Head-Fi ever. IMO. And it is so good that it can be compared to desktop rigs. The sound quality for the total package (DAC/AMP) is awsome, and the battery life is as well. And the Hugo is powerful. And because of not using the power pin on the USB connection sources like iDevices will last much longer than with other portable DAC's, as it does not drain batteries. A better package is not available anywhere.

 

Hi there,

 

As you can see, I was seeking clarification, based on the section in the Hugo user manual that states this. You call me out in a post seeking clarification, which I don't fully understand. I believe your beef should be with Chord, not me here. This is a blatant statement of untruth from the manufacturer. And as you know the manufacturer is involved in this thread, and this has been discussed as you say, it would make much more sense to attack Rob, not me. But I don't even think that is fair. And thank you Rob for a fantastic product. 

 

 

"questioning the quality of the Hugo" is a dramatic and irresponsible misconstruction of the expression of my opinion. I have stated many times the fantastic value of the unit as a portable. Where I have questioned quality was in regard to a comparison to "the best home reference amps," an entirely different idea than the unit as a portable. Further, as a manufacturer looking to release their own portable very soon, I would say I have been extremely and openly transparent in my expression of the virtues of a directly competing product. And the only time I said it could be bettered with Cavalli gear, is in the amp stage, with a home rig. And that's just fact. I've also touted other manufacturers too, unbelievingly. I have no idea how you've arrived at the conclusions you have. I have only given honest opinion, and when asked.

 

Just to reiterate. 

 

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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post
 

Hey guys,

 

Thanks for letting me jump in. Got the Hugo in to try, and am definitely impressed. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post
 

OK, let's start by getting a bunch of my biases out of the way. 

 

It is my opinion that the DAC in the Hugo easily outclasses the DACs in both the HPA-8 and Conductor. The amp in the Hugo, not so much. But it wasn't designed to be a world-class amp. It's a great DAC connected to a pretty good portable amp, and an excellent transportable all-in-one solution. As a whole, the Hugo is not all that when compared to complete world-class home reference gear chains, but the DAC is. 

 

 

Emphasis not added. 

 

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If you're going for the Hugo, which you should strongly consider for transportable environments, then I would use that full-time as your DAC, and look for an amp-only solution for home to be used in concert with the Hugo DAC. 

 

 

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+1

 

Thanks for the reminder, good point. I've always said it was top-notch as a portable product. It's just the DAC is so good that you can actually use this piece of gear in your home kit. And at that point, the amp's shortcoming, to me, become obvious when compared to the best home reference amps.

...

 

And the fact that you can even think about using it in a home reference chain is remarkable

 

...

 

as Audiowood points out, labels this thing as a great value. The fact that it's tiny, and has a good portable amp on it at all, is just sprinkles on the icing on the cake. ; )

 

 

Simple truth ^^

 

And when asked what I think the best amp pairing is, I am going to give my honest opinion.

 

I'll repeat again: Cavalli Audio will never steer anyone wrong for the sake of a sale. Only honest opinions shared. In my handful of posts even mentioning Cavalli gear, it was because I was asked, or I was giving honest opinion.  

 

Have you heard any Cavalli gear?

 

 

Edit: I want to publicly apologize to you and anyone else on this thread that believes I have been a shill for Cavalli gear here. I have tried my best to add to the conversation, learn, give honest feedback, and be constructive at every turn. I do not think my mentions of Cavalli Audio have been anywhere near excessive, and have tried hard for them not to even be remotely regular. That is not why I am here. I am here posting in this thread as a passionate audio consumer. I've tried to make that clear. 


Edited by SoundFreaq - 4/18/14 at 6:30am

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Anyone experience hiss sound from Hugo ? I got my Hugo two weeks ago and been using PC Jriver and ipod as input (Using FitEar TG 334, Final Audio FI-BS-SS, ASG-2)

 

Start notice slight hiss sound when no music playing during the first week, now seem the hiss is getting louder. Even when music is playing I could hear the hiss..........

post #2028 of 6908

With the absolute most sensitive earphones I use, like the K3003, I get the faintest amount of hiss, barely perceptible, and not audible in any way with music playing. 

 

Have you noticed a difference in hiss levels with different inputs? With no inputs connected, is the hiss the same?

post #2029 of 6908
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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post

 

Edit: I want to publicly apologize to you and anyone else on this thread that believes I have been a shill for Cavalli gear here... that is not why I am here. I am here posting in this thread as a passionate audio consumer. I've tried to make that clear. 

 

I have never thought you were 'shilling'... at the end of the day we are all enthusiast and the game-changing Hugo is allowing us all to improve our set-ups, it really is nice to read how this little portable (emphasis on portable) DAC/Amp is being integrated into hi-end systems.... that is some achievement and the proverbial bargain of the century. 

post #2030 of 6908
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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post
 

 

Hi there,

 

As you can see, I was seeking clarification, based on the section in the Hugo user manual that states this. You call me out in a post seeking clarification, which I don't fully understand. I believe your beef should be with Chord, not me here. This is a blatant statement of untruth from the manufacturer. And as you know the manufacturer is involved in this thread, and this has been discussed as you say, it would make much more sense to attack Rob, not me. But I don't even think that is fair. And thank you Rob for a fantastic product. 

 

 

"questioning the quality of the Hugo" is a dramatic and irresponsible misconstruction of the expression of my opinion. I have stated many times the fantastic value of the unit as a portable. Where I have questioned quality was in regard to a comparison to "the best home reference amps," an entirely different idea than the unit as a portable. Further, as a manufacturer looking to release their own portable very soon, I would say I have been extremely and openly transparent in my expression of the virtues of a directly competing product. And the only time I said it could be bettered with Cavalli gear, is in the amp stage, with a home rig. And that's just fact. I've also touted other manufacturers too, unbelievingly. I have no idea how you've arrived at the conclusions you have. I have only given honest opinion, and when asked.

 

Just to reiterate. 

 

 

 

Emphasis not added. 

 

 

 

Simple truth ^^

 

And when asked what I think the best amp pairing is, I am going to give my honest opinion.

 

I'll repeat again: Cavalli Audio will never steer anyone wrong for the sale of a sale. Only honest opinions shared. In my handful of posts even mentioning Cavalli gear, it was because I was asked, or I was giving honest opinion.  

 

Have you heard any Cavalli gear?

 

 

Edit: I want to publicly apologize to you and anyone else on this thread that believes I have been a shill for Cavalli gear here. I have tried my best to add to the conversation, learn, give honest feedback, and be constructive at every turn. I do not think my mentions of Cavalli Audio have been anywhere near excessive, and have tried hard for them not to even be remotely regular. That is not why I am here. I am here posting in this thread as a passionate audio consumer. I've tried to make that clear. 

 

Attacking Rob doesn't make any sense to me at all, as to me this is a marketing guy that has tried to "clarify" how this thing works in layman's terms.

It has been stated again and again in this thread.. it is not bypassing anything, and that should be clear for everybody now? ;)

 

"questioning the quality of Hugo" was aimed at the amp opinions that you have stated and the Hugo is a portable DAC/AMP. And with a new portable amp that is coming soon from Cavalli I found it quite plausible to mention that the amp part of Hugo could be better.

 

I don't want to argue with you, I just wanted to say that as a commercial player it is wise to tread carefully, as everything you say can be interpreted in a negative way even with good intentions.

And even though your humble opinion is that Cavelli stuff is better than "this or that" I would advice you to share those thoughts elsewhere. Maybe as a personal message to those who asks as a curtsy to this thread or any other non Cavelli threads?

 

Apology is accepted. I'm done with this. And my apologies to you if I offended you, or hurt your feelings in any way.

I am glad that you appreciate the Hugo's quality as the rest of us does. And I agree that Rob has made a fantastic product. :) 


Edited by nOtEcH - 4/18/14 at 6:43am
post #2031 of 6908
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Originally Posted by stlim888 View Post
 

Anyone experience hiss sound from Hugo ? I got my Hugo two weeks ago and been using PC Jriver and ipod as input (Using FitEar TG 334, Final Audio FI-BS-SS, ASG-2)

 

Start notice slight hiss sound when no music playing during the first week, now seem the hiss is getting louder. Even when music is playing I could hear the hiss..........

 

I use my laptop (with JRiver, foobar etc) and definitely no hiss whatsoever. Maybe best check with Chord or your dealer.  I assume the hiss happens with both PC and ipod?


Edited by SleepyOne - 4/18/14 at 8:08am
post #2032 of 6908

the 'hiss' question... you're probably hearing 'mic air' at the start of a recording or in quiet passage, I get it on my ZX1/F887 on certain recordings but it does cut out when the music starts... the Hugo has a superior DAC to my Walkman's so it could be that things are more highlighted because of the extra detail the Hugo produces... I am assuming here.

post #2033 of 6908

random rant...... i am thinking of selling my AK240 and keeping the Hugo..........

 

maybe it is a new toy syndrome, but every time i listen to it, there is a big smile and not believing what i am hearing!

 

=)

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Originally Posted by muah View Post
 

random rant...... i am thinking of selling my AK240 and keeping the Hugo..........

 

maybe it is a new toy syndrome, but every time i listen to it, there is a big smile and not believing what i am hearing!

 

=)

 

I heard that hearing is believing but you know what the rumours are like on Head-fi... enjoy your Hugo.

post #2035 of 6908
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Originally Posted by muah View Post

random rant...... i am thinking of selling my AK240 and keeping the Hugo..........

maybe it is a new toy syndrome, but every time i listen to it, there is a big smile and not believing what i am hearing!

=)


Same here but I do love the AK240. Maybe keep both for now:rolleyes:
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Same here but I do love the AK240. Maybe keep both for now:rolleyes:

 

AK240 >toshlink>HUGO ? ;)

post #2037 of 6908

Just wish to inform that Frankie's link about wrapping the DSD files in FLAC format will also work on ibasso DX50 over coaxial , tested using DSD64 files (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=119364.0)

 

Wonderful for people who do not have ipod touch, etc.

 

Update: DSD128 wont play...... :(


Edited by CosmicHolyGhost - 4/18/14 at 8:45am
post #2038 of 6908

DX90 looking interesting option then.

post #2039 of 6908
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Originally Posted by DJsNeverSleep View Post
 

Can't really tell if Native DSD sounds as good as DoP however.


DoP is sending native DSD.  There is no difference except the vehicle.  If you believe in the theory that maybe DoP is doing one extra step (the flag in the first 8 bits that tells the DAC whether it is PCM or DSD) then native will always at least sound as good, if not better.  But in the real world they are basically the same.  One subtle difference could be the ASIO driver (for native DSD playback on Windows a specific ASIO driver is needed, and maybe that driver is a better design than using a mfg's generic device driver and DoP).  Again, theoretical advantage to native.  I can't think of a scenario where DoP would sound better, even theoretically, than direct "native" DSD playback.

 

If by DoP you mean what some folks are calling DoP but are actually describing (misusing the term as) DSD-to-PCM, then that is another story, but it ain't DoP.  In that case, your DAC may handle PCM better and you  may find that this slightly lossy downconversion to PCM is actually more musical to your ears (given the DACs predilection to PCM processing).  I've demo'd DACs where the sweetspot was so significantly PCM that DSD must have been going through some awful conversions internally, and in that scenario DSD-to-PCM conversion (before the DAC, in the player or offline) was the lesser of two evils.

post #2040 of 6908

Hi,

 

I am a poor college student and viewing this thread for long. I was using Westone W4 for the last 2 years and very satisfied until I step into this forum this year. I managed to sell my W4 and got a pair of used AKG K3003 recently but they feel a little bit uncomfortable for my tiny ear canals. So I just pulled the trigger on HD800 today and plan to get the Hugo to pair with them in the summer, without starving to death. But I start to regret after spending almost £1000 in the morning. I don't even know why when I clicked the button:(  Probably I should keep K3003 and cancel the HD800 if they sound similar. (I definitely can only keep one of them) So that way I can afford Hugo easier. 

 

Please allow me to ask the silly question. What do you think about Hugo + K3003 vs Hugo + HD800? If I'm not considering portability or isolation etc. Would HD800 with Hugo sound much better than K3003? By the way, I mainly listen to rock from classic rock to heavy metal and anything in-between. I'm a big Pink Floyld fan. 

Thanks

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