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Hey guys,

 

Thanks for letting me jump in. Got the Hugo in to try, and am definitely impressed. I've been using it in my main rig for about a week which is: MBP>Audirvana Plus>Wireworld USB>ifi iUSB>Nordost Heimdall 2 USB>Audiophileo2>Hugo DAC via Coax>Nordost Frey RCA ICs>Cavalli Audio Liquid Gold>DHC Complement2 OCC Litz XLR Balanced>Abyss. 

 

 

.....Currently trying to find an amp that is better than the Hugo on-board amp, and is also relatively transportable. Having trouble finding that. Cavalli's portable will definitely fit the bill once it is available. But I can't keep the prototypes : ) 

 

Wanting to know what woodcan's "sonic trifecta" encompassed. Didn't read the entire thread yet. 

 

Very interesting: as a TOL "transportable" AMP I Strongly suggest the  Bakoon HPA-21  (and may be the smaller HPA-01 when available).  Is it battery operated and sublime with some headphone.    Hugo + HPA-21 still transportable enough from room to room and 100% battery operated.

 

Re your desktop set-up, it seems you take a quite complex route !! :eek::  MPB> Wireworld USB>ifi iUSB>Nordost Heimdall 2 USB>Audiophileo2>Hugo DAC via Coax

 

Does this "long" route really bring a substantial SQ advantage compared to : MPB> Wireworld USB>Hugo DAC via USB ?  ...plus this COAX route do not allow to play NATIVE DSD files while the USB route does ??  IS ti worth the complexity and the lack of DSD ?

 

PS : like you I am very very excited by the Cavalli Portable AMP. This may become THE solution for HUGO owners...!  Any availability date guess ?


Edited by bmichels - 4/6/14 at 2:40am

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Ha! Yes, it's quite ironic that my quest for purity makes for a long and complicated route. Yes, I really do feel like the USB power conditioners and timing/jitter corrections that are made before the signal hits the Hugo improves my setup. Lower noise, more rich and saturated sound. 

 

And I do use my iPod straight to Hugo USB, and play any bit rate I want. And that sounds fantastic too. But I prefer to have my complicated purity ; ) 

 

That HPA-21 looks pretty sweet, and would probably do the trick. Just not sure it has enough output power to drive the Abyss well. Abyss needs 1 - 4W. HPA-21 looks like it tops out at 1W. But sweet little amp. Wow, it's 15lbs! 

post #1548 of 7740

The Bakoon has no problem powering the HE-6 so the Abyss should be a piece of cake.

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My favorite iOS music player is the Onkyo HF player. Tried quite a few. I dig the sampling/upsampling options it has, and the fact that it will truly output very high bit rate material. Only pain is you can't Wi-Fi zap music to it like others. But it's worth it....

 

Do you mean that the Onkyo HF player can NOT acces files  stored on an external Wireless HD like the Seagate Wireless Plus 1TB ? And that In this case you only have the internal 128 Gb available to store your files ? 

 

by the way, can you tell me if the Onkyo HF player support  PlayList  and offer a reasonably usable and enjoyable UI, search and playlist functions ?


Edited by bmichels - 4/6/14 at 4:26am
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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post
 

Hey guys,

 

Thanks for letting me jump in. Got the Hugo in to try, and am definitely impressed. I've been using it in my main rig for about a week which is: MBP>Audirvana Plus>Wireworld USB>ifi iUSB>Nordost Heimdall 2 USB>Audiophileo2>Hugo DAC via Coax>Nordost Frey RCA ICs>Cavalli Audio Liquid Gold>DHC Complement2 OCC Litz XLR Balanced>Abyss. 

 

This set up for home is perfect for my tastes. I've played around with cables and DACs, and this just works. Bass is deep, extended, textured - really grips, but the mid-bass pops with impact. Mids come through and render vocals in such a natural, human way, I just sit there with shock on my face. The highs are sparkly, very detailed, and at the same time, sweet with subtle detail characteristics. Never ever too bright. Hands down beats any headphone I've heard. And beats the best characteristics of said phone. For example, I prefer the bass of the Abyss over the TH900, the soundstage size and accuracy over the HD800, and the emotional engagement factor of the 009, to name a few. 

 

Transportable goes: iPod5>Moon Silver Dragon USB to micro>Hugo: Can run Abyss with authority straight from Hugo, also take the Tralucent 1plus2 to work with me, and Hugo drives them swimmingly with no hiss. It seems the amp output stage of the Hugo adjusts to the headphone you have plugged in, so you're not stuck with limited travel on the volume knob with IEMs.  

 

My favorite iOS music player is the Onkyo HF player. Tried quite a few. I dig the sampling/upsampling options it has, and the fact that it will truly output very high bit rate material. Only pain is you can't Wi-Fi zap music to it like others. But it's worth it. Stay away from TuneShell. It "plays" the high bit-rate file, but doesn't output/support anything higher that 44K. Very misleading and disappointing. 

 

Getting some Cardas Clear Light ICs this week to see how they work out at in a transportable situation, or at home. 

 

Sometimes at home, relaxing in bed, I'll run Hugo from the Mac, and maybe throw in the AP2. Currently trying to find an amp that is better than the Hugo on-board amp, and is also relatively transportable. Having trouble finding that. Cavalli's portable will definitely fit the bill once it is available. But I can't keep the prototypes : ) 

 

Wanting to know what woodcan's "sonic trifecta" encompassed. Didn't read the entire thread yet. 

The Cardas Clear light IC's can't plug into the Hugo.... The RCA plus don't fit

I'm starting at a pair right now in frustration :-)

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And I do use my iPod straight to Hugo USB, and play any bit rate I want. And that sounds fantastic too. But I prefer to have my complicated purity ; ) 

And

Transportable goes: iPod5>Moon Silver Dragon USB to micro>Hugo:

Are you getting this to work without the CCK in the chain? What is the "iPod 5"?

Thanks.
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Anybody using an IPad mini with their Hugo ?

Would welcome any pictures to see how they look together

Similar dimensions or not ?

Thanks
post #1553 of 7740
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Originally Posted by zenpunk View Post
 

The Bakoon has no problem powering the HE-6 so the Abyss should be a piece of cake.

 

hmmm... good to know. Though it's my impression the power needs are about on par with the other. 

 

 

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Do you mean that the Onkyo HF player can NOT acces files  stored on an external Wireless HD like the Seagate Wireless Plus 1TB ? And that In this case you only have the internal 128 Gb available to store your files ? 

 

by the way, can you tell me if the Onkyo HF player support  PlayList  and offer a reasonably usable and enjoyable UI, search and playlist functions ?

 

Ah, what I meant was that, some other popular iOS players support the transfer and organization of music from the computer to the device via Wi-Fi by simply typing in the IP address of the device on any browser. Convenient. But slower than dropping music in the app's iTunes documents folder. Pros/cons to each. And I have not tried to access music off of an external drive with the HF player. I have all my favorite music and streaming services to serve my needs in a transportable environment right off the iPod. Then at home, I have unlimited access via the MBP. 

 

And the HF player UI is pretty robust. Can definitely make playlists, and even make playlists from the "HD" music library. Search supported. Solid app. Doesn't play DRM protected music, however, which is usually not a problem. 

 

Also, I've noted that a lot of people that I respect are really digging the Coax input of the Hugo. Some think it's a bit better implemented than the Optical, and on par with the HD USB Micro. And then you have the advantage of using things like the AP2 with Coax. But you're right in that you lose some extremely high bit rate opportunities.

 

 

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The Cardas Clear light IC's can't plug into the Hugo.... The RCA plus don't fit

I'm starting at a pair right now in frustration :-)

 

 

Yes! My biggest point of contention with the Hugo right now. With it being marketed, and delivering on being a great DAC, the port holes for the RCA connections are very small, and is very limiting. None of my "worthy" ICs fit in there. I'll keep it to facts-only here, and not relay my feelings about it. 

 

I had Cardas make me a custom Clear Light with connectors that fit the Hugo, and also maintain the integrity and sonic characteristics of the Clear Light. Now there's a whole market for quality RCA IC's that fit Hugo!

 

 

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Are you getting this to work without the CCK in the chain? What is the "iPod 5"?

Thanks.

 

iPod 5 refers to the iPod 5th generation, which is the most recent, and current gen. And my mistake, yes, you have to use the CCK out of the iPod. It works fantastically with the Hugo. I have a very low mileage black 32GB 5th gen iPod I need to sell if anyone wants a dedicated music server. The benefit in doing that, for me, is that you can kill wireless connectivity, making it potentially quieter, and streamline the device for music, and not have your memory/device subject to other apps and the processes just needed to run the device. And then I can use my phone to peruse HF while jamming with my iPod. The A5 chip and iOS 7 on the 5th gen iPod work out really well, plus the ultra-thin form factor. 

 

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Anybody using an IPad mini with their Hugo ?

Would welcome any pictures to see how they look together

Similar dimensions or not ?

Thanks

 

Hold tight, I think I can make that happen for ya!

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The larger RCA holes in the revised chassis Hugo might fit the Cardas IC. It fits the Xhadow RCA plug on my Stereovox IC without issue. Must measure the hole size & post the result later.


Edited by SleepyOne - 4/6/14 at 11:17am
post #1555 of 7740
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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post
 

Hey guys,

 

Thanks for letting me jump in. Got the Hugo in to try, and am definitely impressed. I've been using it in my main rig for about a week which is: MBP>Audirvana Plus>Wireworld USB>ifi iUSB>Nordost Heimdall 2 USB>Audiophileo2>Hugo DAC via Coax>Nordost Frey RCA ICs>Cavalli Audio Liquid Gold>DHC Complement2 OCC Litz XLR Balanced>Abyss. 

 

 

Great to see you join the Hugo thread, it's sure nice for you to share your perspective on this delightful "Game Changer" device :)

 

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Originally Posted by bmichels View Post

 

Re your desktop set-up, it seems you take a quite complex route !! :eek::  MPB> Wireworld USB>ifi iUSB>Nordost Heimdall 2 USB>Audiophileo2>Hugo DAC via Coax

 

Does this "long" route really bring a substantial SQ advantage compared to : MPB> Wireworld USB>Hugo DAC via USB ?  ...plus this COAX route do not allow to play NATIVE DSD files while the USB route does ??  IS ti worth the complexity and the lack of DSD ?

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post

 

Also, I've noted that a lot of people that I respect are really digging the Coax input of the Hugo. Some think it's a bit better implemented than the Optical, and on par with the HD USB Micro. And then you have the advantage of using things like the AP2 with Coax. But you're right in that you lose some extremely high bit rate opportunities.

 

 

Confirmed with Chord and tested out myself, the Hugo does support DSD (DoP) for all inputs. I took the digital coax output from the Lumin to the digital RCA input of the Hugo and it deciphered DSD files without any problems, just make sure that the player supports DoP and is enabled. Audirvana Plus on Macs does this and sends DoP to the USB output without any problems. I haven't tried the USB>spdif conversion, so maybe you can test out the DoP function on this setup. I think it should work. 

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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post
 

Ha! Yes, it's quite ironic that my quest for purity makes for a long and complicated route. Yes, I really do feel like the USB power conditioners and timing/jitter corrections that are made before the signal hits the Hugo improves my setup. Lower noise, more rich and saturated sound. 

 

And I do use my iPod straight to Hugo USB, and play any bit rate I want. And that sounds fantastic too. But I prefer to have my complicated purity ; ) 

 

That HPA-21 looks pretty sweet, and would probably do the trick. Just not sure it has enough output power to drive the Abyss well. Abyss needs 1 - 4W. HPA-21 looks like it tops out at 1W. But sweet little amp. Wow, it's 15lbs! 

 

 

Do you believe that this item, that works on clean battery, may offer as purity as your "long and complicated route " ?  It should replace  ifi iUSB + Audiophileo2 and make the route shorter (which is always a good thing) ?  

 

review HERE

 

and also:  why do you use 2 types of USB cables :  Wireworld USB  and then  Nordost Heimdall 2 USB  ?

 

 

 

 

 

thanks again for your answers

 

PS: any hint on the availability of the CAVALLI portable Amp ??


Edited by bmichels - 4/6/14 at 12:46pm
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Anybody using an IPad mini with their Hugo ?

Would welcome any pictures to see how they look together

Similar dimensions or not ?

Thanks

 

 

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Confirmed with Chord and tested out myself, the Hugo does support DSD (DoP) for all inputs.

 

Awesome news. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by bmichels View Post
 

 

 

Do you believe that this item, that works on clean battery, may offer as purity as your "long and complicated route " ?  It should replace  ifi iUSB + Audiophileo2 and make the route shorter (which is always a good thing) ?  

 

review HERE

 

and also:  why do you use 2 types of USB cables :  Wireworld USB  and then  Nordost Heimdall 2 USB  ?

 

 

 

thanks again for your answers

 

PS: any hint on the availability of the CAVALLI portable Amp ??

 

Yes, Ive heard good things about the Hydra-X. It does what my two-piece system does. Cleans up the sound, and corrects jitter. The impressions about the improvements in sound quality mentioned in that review are exactly what I would describe my setup to accomplish. I have not heard the Hydra-X, and could not speculate if it's better than my two-piece set up. I know Audiophileo has been around a while, and they are respected. The Hydra-X is more complex, so while you do eliminate a piece, the iUSB and AP2 are as simple as it gets. Plug and go, and they do their job well. In theory, separating conditioning first, and then re-clocking with the AP2, keeping the devices separated could be a better solution. Packing several solutions into one package can introduce power/noise issues. It's the same idea of one-box DAC/amp solutions, or having separate DAC and amp. When they are combined, you lose some control. If I want a different conditioner, I can easily swap it out. And the AP2 is definitely portable. I use it in different rooms or the office with ease. No chance I'd lug the Hydra-X around : )

 

The Wireworld was just one I had around. Picked up the Heimdall2 to try it out as I heard great things about it. May get a second Heimdall2, or different cables altogether. 

 

Edit: Oh, and the portable is being worked on. Of course Cavalli Audio is only going to produce a top-notch product. It will arrive when we will able to deliver on the manufacturing demand of a fine, well-executed, portable solution. 


Edited by SoundFreaq - 4/6/14 at 1:57pm
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The revised chassis Hugo's audio output RCA hole size is approx. 13mm diameter.

post #1559 of 7740

Have we heard how owners of the old chasis will be handled?

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I had a chance to try out the Chord Hugo, and I wasn't impressed at all with the thing that looks like wifi router.  Not as much as the AK series.  I was hoping it would topple the AK since I was surprised withe the AK sounding great so was hoping more expensive product would sound better, but it wasn't the case with this.  

 

This was based on short listening session with UERM, it may not pair well.  


Edited by SilverEars - 4/7/14 at 5:58am
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