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Sweet! Congratulations! Am still struggling with "the frequency bands cut/boost".

For me, despite that I could clearly hear the differences, my problem was identifying the frequencies. Easy to hear if it's a boost or a cut but the only way that I found in order to learn how to identify the freq was to practice training for some time until I had the most difficult frequencies for me memorized, and then tried the test again.

I had no problem with the very low or high freq, but the rest of the band sure needs some intensive training.

I think I must have spent 1 to 2 hours before succeeding at this test, so don't give up, and my advice is practice training until you have memorized the less obvious frequencies (for me it was principally 1, 2 4 and 8kHz).

Don't know if that makes sense... sorry for my poor english...

It makes perfect sense and may even have contributed to me finally getting my Golden Ears!
Not being English speaking myself I can’t judge your English, but anyway it looks impeccable to me.

post #122 of 331
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Switched between my Etymotic ER-4S and my AKG K3003i with reference filters and finally made it all the way! I now got my Golden Ears!

 

Congratz, now you're ready to take off..:-)

post #123 of 331

Thanks Jupiterknight, I'm already flying! :ksc75smile:

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Did Tyll already finish the goldeneartest?
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/audiophile-workout-philips-golden-ears-training
I wonder, that he did not mention it. It should be easy for people who hear tiny differences.
post #125 of 331
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Thanks Jupiterknight, I'm already flying! :ksc75smile:

Just don't fly with SAS when using your Golden Ears because they will screw up your perspective of timbre and you will pay the price..:wink_face: 

Stick with SJ.."Ground control to Major Tom" Citing David Bowie..

 

Anyhow, I personal believe that the Golden Ears challenge was to a certain degree a time consuming/frustrating/fun challenge to me at least and along the way I picked up my own weakness and strength related to how I focus/judge/perceive/analyze/enjoy music. Wow, I learned something..

 

Simple or cheap as it gets. I encourage all members of this forum to go through this test and "Show Me The Result' and I sincerely promise that I will stop quoting Tom Cruise..

post #126 of 331
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Did Tyll already finish the goldeneartest?
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/audiophile-workout-philips-golden-ears-training
I wonder, that he did not mention it. It should be easy for people who hear tiny differences.

 

I would expect him to finish Gold "easily" seeing they're reviewers but I haven't read anything either. The guys at Headfonia finished Gold as far as I know, no news from Jude.

post #127 of 331
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It makes perfect sense and may even have contributed to me finally getting my Golden Ears!
Not being English speaking myself I can’t judge your English, but anyway it looks impeccable to me.


Great! Congratulations!

This test was very interesting for me because I learned many things, and now I am confident that I could hear the differences between 2 different headphone amps for example (if there are differences of course)...

post #128 of 331
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Thanks Jupiterknight, I'm already flying! :ksc75smile:

Just don't fly with SAS when using your Golden Ears because they will screw up your perspective of timbre and you will pay the price..:wink_face: 

Stick with SJ.."Ground control to Major Tom" Citing David Bowie..

 

Anyhow, I personal believe that the Golden Ears challenge was to a certain degree a time consuming/frustrating/fun challenge to me at least and along the way I picked up my own weakness and strength related to how I focus/judge/perceive/analyze/enjoy music. Wow, I learned something..

 

Simple or cheap as it gets. I encourage all members of this forum to go through this test and "Show Me The Result' and I sincerely promise that I will stop quoting Tom Cruise..

Wow, you know about ”Scandinavian Airlines” (SAS) and ”Statens Järnvägar” (SJ)! Guess DK in you location tag stands for Denmark!?


Yes, the Golden Ears challenge is educational and I’d recommend it to anyone who’s into sound. I'm really happy I took myself the time to finish it.

post #129 of 331
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It makes perfect sense and may even have contributed to me finally getting my Golden Ears!
Not being English speaking myself I can’t judge your English, but anyway it looks impeccable to me.


Great! Congratulations!

This test was very interesting for me because I learned many things, and now I am confident that I could hear the differences between 2 different headphone amps for example (if there are differences of course)...

Thank you! :ksc75smile:


After the "MP3 Artefacts" challenge on the silver level I learned to take it easy - to relax and just listen - and I have now realised it's (mostly) a matter of training. There seems to be nothing wrong with my hearing despite my rather old age (can only hear a sinus tone up to about 11 kHz) and tinnitus. I was mostly frustrated to suspect there might be something wrong with my hearing. So, pretty big sigh of relief! I really dislike my tinnitus, but this exercise has taught me it doesn’t really affect my ability to hear external sounds, and so has made me less disturbed by it which is a pretty pleasant side-effect, to say the least.


Like for you it has also boosted my hearing confidence. So, if I can’t hear any difference between two amplifiers I now know for sure it could very well be because there actually isn’t any (substantial) difference.

post #130 of 331
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Thank you! :ksc75smile:


After the "MP3 Artefacts" challenge on the silver level I learned to take it easy - to relax and just listen - and I have now realised it's (mostly) a matter of training. There seems to be nothing wrong with my hearing despite my rather old age (can only hear a sinus tone up to about 11 kHz) and tinnitus. I was mostly frustrated to suspect there might be something wrong with my hearing. So, pretty big sigh of relief! I really dislike my tinnitus, but this exercise has taught me it doesn’t really affect my ability to hear external sounds, and so has made me less disturbed by it which is a pretty pleasant side-effect, to say the least.


Like for you it has also boosted my hearing confidence. So, if I can’t hear any difference between two amplifiers I now know for sure it could very well be because there actually isn’t any (substantial) difference.

Exactly :beerchug: ... if fact I'm ready to spend some money on a headphone amp for my HD580, BUT only if I am 100% sure that I will notice a better sound quality. Completing this test and doing the training sure will contribute to help me decide more easily if it's worth. (I have started a thread about A/B comparison tests and switch boxes... here.)

post #131 of 331
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Did Tyll already finish the goldeneartest?
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/audiophile-workout-philips-golden-ears-training
I wonder, that he did not mention it. It should be easy for people who hear tiny differences.

 

I would expect him to finish Gold "easily" seeing they're reviewers but I haven't read anything either. The guys at Headfonia finished Gold as far as I know, no news from Jude.

I don’t think we should demand that people like Jude and Tyll (or anyone else for that matter) must pass the Golden Ears challenge to prove their right to be reviewers and/or have opinions about audio gear. First of all it would be wrong principally and secondly even if they were unable to pass it they still have so much experience comparing so many different headphones and other gear that their opinions still matter.

 

If I had been unable to pass it – and mind you, for a while I was sure I was never going to be able to pass the “MP3 Artefacts” challenge on the Silver Ears level – I would still have allowed myself to continue with this hobby, which I love, and continue to have opinions about different headphones, gear, and software.


Now that said, if I were a Jude, Tyll, “average joe”, “ljokerl”, etc., I personally would never pass up the chance to prove my listening skills publically to increase people's confidence in my reviews. I think Tyll expresses a very humble and encouraging attitude that reinforces my confidence in him, and I'm actually quite confident that he could do it if he took the time. See below quotes by Tyll:


“The third test was Details and asked me to identify MP3 artifacts. I've often commented that 320kbs MP3s are very good and it's hard to tell the difference between it and 44.1/16 files. Well, let's just say I got totally stuck at this point in the test.” – by Tyll


“Maybe I'd just been at it too long this morning, but I gave up. I'll have to give it another go tomorrow...but I'm gonna do it. You know why? Because it's never too late to improve ones listening skills!” – by Tyll

post #132 of 331
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Thank you! :ksc75smile:


After the "MP3 Artefacts" challenge on the silver level I learned to take it easy - to relax and just listen - and I have now realised it's (mostly) a matter of training. There seems to be nothing wrong with my hearing despite my rather old age (can only hear a sinus tone up to about 11 kHz) and tinnitus. I was mostly frustrated to suspect there might be something wrong with my hearing. So, pretty big sigh of relief! I really dislike my tinnitus, but this exercise has taught me it doesn’t really affect my ability to hear external sounds, and so has made me less disturbed by it which is a pretty pleasant side-effect, to say the least.


Like for you it has also boosted my hearing confidence. So, if I can’t hear any difference between two amplifiers I now know for sure it could very well be because there actually isn’t any (substantial) difference.

Exactly :beerchug: ... if fact I'm ready to spend some money on a headphone amp for my HD580, BUT only if I am 100% sure that I will notice a better sound quality. Completing this test and doing the training sure will contribute to help me decide more easily if it's worth. (I have started a thread about A/B comparison tests and switch boxes... here.)

Superb initiative, and thanks for the link. I will follow the thread with huge interest.

post #133 of 331
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Originally Posted by Aero Dynamik View Post
 

I don’t think we should demand that people like Jude and Tyll (or anyone else for that matter) must pass the Golden Ears challenge to prove their right to be reviewers and/or have opinions about audio gear. First of all it would be wrong principally and secondly even if they were unable to pass it they still have so much experience comparing so many different headphones and other gear that their opinions still matter.

 

If I had been unable to pass it – and mind you, for a while I was sure I was never going to be able to pass the “MP3 Artefacts” challenge on the Silver Ears level – I would still have allowed myself to continue with this hobby, which I love, and continue to have opinions about different headphones, gear, and software.


Now that said, if I were a Jude, Tyll, “average joe”, “ljokerl”, etc., I personally would never pass up the chance to prove my listening skills publically to increase people's confidence in my reviews. I think Tyll expresses a very humble and encouraging attitude that reinforces my confidence in him, and I'm actually quite confident that he could do it if he took the time. See below quotes by Tyll:


“The third test was Details and asked me to identify MP3 artifacts. I've often commented that 320kbs MP3s are very good and it's hard to tell the difference between it and 44.1/16 files. Well, let's just say I got totally stuck at this point in the test.” – by Tyll


“Maybe I'd just been at it too long this morning, but I gave up. I'll have to give it another go tomorrow...but I'm gonna do it. You know why? Because it's never too late to improve ones listening skills!” – by Tyll

 

I do agree with you but at the same time I would be worried if they didn't pass it.

post #134 of 331
Difference in DAC or amp is much more dramatic than this mp3 test anyway.
post #135 of 331

Personally I think every health man can pass this test.

It just whether or not you are willing to take the time to train your self.

It is very often that people do not know what they are looking for, hence make the test very hard to pass initially.

However, once they know where to focus, most of the test will be very trivial.

 

P.S.

I saw a lot of people manage to pass the test with sources that has very high distortions and very limited dynamic range (laptop sound card, very cheap ear bugs). I think some times it is actually much easier to do the test in those gears compare to a system the has a very linear FR. I have done some test with my laptop and my cheap sony headphones, and find it is sometimes like cheating. Lots of changes in the track has been transformed into a SPL change in general which is very easy to be picked out. Tests like cut off and boost in different frequency can be easily understand as change in volume in different samples. mp3 test has also become easier because the laptop sound card automatically eq the sound and makes the sound difference pretty easy to spot.

However, all these has nothing to do with what we really want. Tell difference between to distorted sound sample tells us nothing. Learning how to differentiate different sound quality is the key for use to identify good/bad equipment when we audition them in store.

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