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About the "physicality" of the sound.

A French just bought a used Abyss at an U.S man. This is an Abyss who apparently served only two hours. The reason for the sale? This American prefers apparently upgrade its speakers. Maybe this headphone was not enough "physical" for his taste for replace the speakers?

You left out the fact that his wife purchased it for him as a gift, probably in the hopes he would not buy larger loudspeakers.regular_smile%20.gif
 

 

Sincerely, you believe, you, to the story of a guy who receives as a gift from his wife a headphone of 6.000 dollars, without asking the opinion of her husband prior to a purchase of this magnitude, in the secret hope that it will not buy a larger speaker system.
Then, 2 hours after having tried this headphone, the same guy, apparently tight-fisted, hastens to sell (at a loss) the gift of his wife to satisfy his selfish desires?

Personally, I don't ever allow me to resell a gift from my wife, especially at this price.

 

PS: she must love him a lot... :regular_smile : 

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Eric65 please look at what he is selling ! He sells even a full options MSB DAC. Can you understand that there are person that have more money than you and they didn't care about the loss. You are in loving with your SR009 but it's just a headphone.

 

Please go down on the earth and just watch that they are a lot of flipping on the gear, it's just hardware.


Edited by Hun7er - 1/27/14 at 7:54am
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Eric65 please look at what he is selling ! He sells even a full options MSB DAC. Can you understand that there are person that have more money than you and they didn't care about the loss. You are in loving with your SR009 but it's just a headphone.

 

Please go down on the earth and just watch that they are a lot of flipping on the gear, it's just hardware.

 

You are right, this is just material.
And it is a hobby like any other.
Actually, I don't have to have the feet on earth because I've never resold any Hi-Fi equipment; I keep or I give.
And I store (and I'd keep) my wife gifts.. .even if it was an Abyss! ;)

post #49 of 102

I can hear, and see in Jude's excellent video, why he is so enthusiastic about the Cavalli LAu and the Abyss pairing.

 

It really is that good sounding as a system!!!

 

In my current system, the Cavalli amplifiers are excellent sounding but I do not think I have manged to get the best out of them yet, as I have been hearing improvements sonically with every upgrade in my rig. I am running about $15K per shelf excluding component cost. There are 5 shelves on my rack.

 

I will have the opportunity in the near future of listening to the LAu / Abyss sourced by the dCS Vivaldi 4 stack with a full complement of Nordost Odins cables. This will be an eye opener, and will allow some insight to what I can achieve with my Cavalli Amps in my system.

 

And, in the grand scheme of things, Cavalli amps seems an absolute bargain when a Nordost Odin power cord starts at around $10K for 1.25 meters.


Edited by spkrs01 - 1/27/14 at 8:54am
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I will have the opportunity in the near future of listening to the LAu / Abyss sourced by the dCS Vivaldi 4 stack with a full complement of Nordost Odins cables. This will be an eye opener, and will allow some insight to what I can achieve with my Cavalli Amps in my system.

 

And, in the grand scheme of things, Cavalli amps seems an absolute bargain when a Nordost Odin power cord starts at around $10K for 1.25 meters.

An eye opener indeed.  I wish I could be there to hear that.

 

I'm in total agreement about price especially when you compare them to a big rig.  Good point on the power cord.

post #51 of 102

First, thanks Jude for the great review.

 

Gents, some of the comments regarding wealth and business model I think sometimes reflect a lack of understanding of what it takes to make a sustainable business that can do all of the things necessary to stay in business. To oversimplify, there are three kinds of business that have grown out of this hobby that we have been nurturing for decades now.

 

1. Pure hobby - you give stuff to the community and don't expect a return except for (mostly) happy people.

2. Hobby-business - you make enough to support the hobby and pay for your production, but not really enough to create a sustainable, long term business. There are a number of these out there today.

3. Business - there is enough revenue to support all the necessary features of a business. These include, but are not limited to: production capacity (including complicated supply chain), marketing (including shows), materials (like photography, etc.), shipping costs, customer support and repair, warranty support, legal support (for contracts, etc.), accounting, new product development costs (not cheap), rent and utilities if you have a separate place, dealer margins (after all they have to make a living too), inventory so that you have replacement parts when needed, and the inescapable taxes. And probably more.

 

You cannot look at any of the suppliers, from the least expensive to the more expensive as just having to cover the direct cost of building something.

 

As for Ferraris, if I had them, you can bet that I'd be out driving them on our F1 track here in Austin instead of driving all over Central Texas dealing with machine shops, sheet metal shops, powder coating facilities, anodizing facilities, PCB assembly shops, box and foam manufacturers, and final assembly shops. Plus, I might just drive the red one to the meet coming up in San Fran and show IT off instead of amps. :D 


Edited by runeight - 1/27/14 at 6:08pm
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post #52 of 102
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Originally Posted by runeight View Post
 

First, thanks Jude for the great review.

 

Gents, some of the comments regarding wealth and business model I think sometimes reflect a lack of understanding of what it takes to make a sustainable business that can do all of the things necessary to stay in business. To oversimplify, there are three kinds of business that have grown out of this hobby that we have been nurturing for decades now.

 

1. Pure hobby - you give stuff to the community and don't expect a return except for (mostly) happy people.

2. Hobby-business - you make enough to support the hobby and pay for your production, but not really enough to create a sustainable, long term business. There are a number of these out there today.

3. Business - there is enough revenue to support all the necessary features of a business. These include, but are not limited to: production capacity (including complicated supply chain), marketing (including shows), materials (like photography, etc.), shipping costs, customer support and repair, warranty support, legal support (for contracts, etc.), accounting, new product development costs (not cheap), rent and utilities if you have a separate place, dealer margins (after all they have to make a living too), inventory so that you have replacement parts when needed, and the inescapable taxes. And probably more.

 

You cannot look at any of the suppliers, from the least expensive to the more expensive as just having to cover the direct cost of building something.

 

As for Ferraris, if I had them, you can bet that I'd be out driving them on our F1 track here in Austin instead of driving all over Central Texas dealing with machine ships, sheet metal shops, powder coating facilities, anodizing facilities, PCB assembly shops, box and foam manufacturers, and final assembly shops. Plus, I might just drive the red one to the meet coming up in San Fran and show IT off instead of amps.

Thanks for clearing this up

post #53 of 102
Alex, thank you for taking the time to explain us what is the cost structure associated to a real life business.

How about the case where word by mouth is sufficient and you then don't have to spend that much on advertising / shows / photography and can bypass dealers by selling online direct. You don't believe that is a sustainable business model?
post #54 of 102

People are free to choose a business model that they believe will work for what they are trying accomplish. I wouldn't attempt to tell another which to choose or criticize him for making that choice. That's what markets are for. :smile:

Dr. Cavalli gained notoriety with his first DIY amplifier projects. His success has blossomed into Cavalli Audio, a world leader in amplifier design.
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post #55 of 102

Nothing derails a review like a high price tag, and it happens all the time, in audio and beyond. Kudos to Jude for having the guts to review (and enthusiastically praise) gear that he surely knew would provoke a strong reaction. His affability and enthusiasm is appreciated, and undoubtedly helped blunt the sharpest critiques. Personally, I could not care less how much they cost, as I'm as unlikely to ever own either the headphone or amp, but I sure enjoy the introduction. I also want to learn more and hear them for myself, which tells me the reviewer did his job... 


Edited by Dean Seislove - 1/27/14 at 11:08pm
post #56 of 102
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Alex, thank you for taking the time to explain us what is the cost structure associated to a real life business.

How about the case where word by mouth is sufficient and you then don't have to spend that much on advertising / shows / photography and can bypass dealers by selling online direct. You don't believe that is a sustainable business model?

 

I don't think that simple "word by mouth", while important, is sufficient or sustainable.

 

In the case of Schiit I think the target market segment is broad (includes mid-tier), and such an approach probably requires a significant initial investment risk given volume and margins. Furthermore, Schiit probably has non-negligible associated expenses in advertising / shows / photography anyway. The fact that Jason might be knowledgeable in some of those areas might help though.

 

As far as Headamp, w/o the not-your-average Kevin Gilmore (and associated KG designs DIY "mafia") "word by mouth" support, things might require a bit heavier investment in the advertising / shows / photography department. Even with said support, Headamp also has mid-tier portable offerings and diversification into TOTL headphone sales. There are relatively long lead times as well for TOTL products. I also don't think Headamp has it made and things are solely "word by mouth" easy there.

 

I don't know much about TTJV audio, but it seems to me that its probably as much an amp manufacturer as it is an online retail business, and I'm not certain TTJV is a cash swimming pool. HeadRoom probably even more an online business now. STAX? well, whatever the story is, they are now Edifier aren't they?

 

That said, If one feels that the problem is the business model and one is confident that "word by mouth" is more than sufficient, by all means why not starting ones own business and start making the "word by mouth" big bucks then?

 

I'm also not sure why cost is such a concern here given the TOTL target market segment. IMO BOTH SRM-727 + SR009 and LAu + Abyss SUCK in terms of value and looks. I do think however that both are great performers and TOTL products (audio quality wise), and don't see either combo beating the other in every department.


Edited by ultrabike - 1/28/14 at 2:24pm
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Thanks for clearing this up

 

No thanks from me.  Should not have felt the need to explain himself to the circle jerk kings.

 

How will I ever be able to audition the Abyss...you guys are lucky in the US.

I

post #58 of 102
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 How will I ever be able to audition the Abyss...you guys are lucky in the US.

You could go down to Melbourne to Addicted To Audio and try them.

post #59 of 102

Great news!

 

 

What will I ever do without you?  But Melbourne weather - 8 seasons in 1 day....gonna hurt more than standard Sennheiss..........:D

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As far as Headamp, w/o the not-your-average Kevin Gilmore (and associated KG designs DIY "mafia") "word by mouth" support, things might require a bit heavier investment in the advertising / shows / photography department. Even with said support, Headamp also has mid-tier portable offerings and diversification into TOTL headphone sales. There are relatively long lead times as well for TOTL products. I also don't think Headamp has it made and things are solely "word by mouth" easy there.

 

actually my most successful products are the line of Pico portables, which were without the benefit of a 'known' designer. I make almost nothing on the BHSE and GS-X mk2 and couldn't afford to sell them to dealers. i would much, much rather sell 2 pairs of Sennheiser HD800 than 1 GS-X mk2. Not only would there be more profit, i wouldnt have to do anything! No design work, no dealing with vendors, no building, no skilled employees, and if it breaks, it's Sennheiser's problem! Sales is the place to be! ;)


Edited by justin w. - 1/29/14 at 10:25am

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