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post #31 of 39
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Agreed, for the most part. What would be more valuable to me though when someone feels that something has improved their listening experience, such as a cable, that it could be tested on their actual system with their music playing. I'm inclined to think neither that all types of feelings about equipment changes are placebo or are not, but a mixture of both. I think all the common arguments have some validity, from expensive systems being able to deliver fantastic enjoyment to ideas that they are grossly over-priced. Where one's beliefs sit within those extremes is up to the individual, primarily because people have different goals when seeking to buy things. I'm somewhere in between.

A wise answer. Considering your role, you are forced into being all things to all people.:D

 

Actually, I'm not forced to be anything. More so I've had the chance to be exposed to many different ideas, even before I got back into audio gear in a big way, and exposed to a lot of equipment. Like other people I know who have been equally fortunate, I tend not to hold black-and-white views of things. If I do have strong opinions, the reasons behind them are quite complex.

 

Your point about medical science was a good one and reminded me that the more complex the topic, the harder it is to nail anything down about it (hence the quote from my friend). With audio, about as far as I've gotten so far is that the most important things are: What music we like and how loud we listen. Just about everything relevant to us derives from that.

post #32 of 39
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 I don't know how that affects headphones, but I personally just don't think that another $900 to $1200 on headphones is worth it to put the drums farther back by a perceived inch or two. Maybe $200 sure, but not $900.

 

Halelujah!!  

 

 

 

 

 

Finally someone else said exactly what I've been thinking.

post #33 of 39

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 I don't know how that affects headphones, but I personally just don't think that another $900 to $1200 on headphones is worth it to put the drums farther back by a perceived inch or two. Maybe $200 sure, but not $900.

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Halelujah!!  

 

 

 

 

 

Finally someone else said exactly what I've been thinking.

If only that squirrel had a good pair of.............IEMs. I think it has a good understanding of the law of diminishing returns.

post #34 of 39
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Actually, I'm not forced to be anything. More so I've had the chance to be exposed to many different ideas, even before I got back into audio gear in a big way, and exposed to a lot of equipment. Like other people I know who have been equally fortunate, I tend not to hold black-and-white views of things. If I do have strong opinions, the reasons behind them are quite complex.

 

Your point about medical science was a good one and reminded me that the more complex the topic, the harder it is to nail anything down about it (hence the quote from my friend). With audio, about as far as I've gotten so far is that the most important things are: What music we like and how loud we listen. Just about everything relevant to us derives from that.

Forced doesn't mean complies. :D

I agree strongly on that last point. Many times I'll ask if someone compared cans under the same conditions using the right music that they are familiar with and at the same volume. Sometimes I refer them to Fletcher-Munson or Loudness Contours so that they may better understand factors that they might not be accounting for. Of course getting a proper volume match for an accurate evaluation is not easy. Not to mention the difficulty of human auditory memory for comparing fine details at two different listens.

post #35 of 39
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 What music we like and how loud we listen. Just about everything relevant to us derives from that.

that is exactly what motivates 99% of my audio trip.

almost all my choices are motivated by how they will go with very quiet listening. I listen to less and less classical because the dynamic is so huge you end up missing half the sound if you listen really quietly. amps to have a better volume control then digital volume to get even better control. I run away when I have the slightest hiss and just that did condition most of my purchases.

listening to less classic, I've slowly moved toward phones with less trebles because rock was horrible on bright cans. at first I would spit on any V shaped cans, but a lot of those end up sounding almost neutral at very low listening level. etc

 

that sentence tells it all.

post #36 of 39

My goal in buying equipment is that it should give an accurate presentation of sound. Not that I just believe that it does. I prefer it to actually be accurate.

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My goal in buying equipment is that it should give an accurate presentation of sound. Not that I just believe that it does. I prefer it to actually be accurate.


My goal goes a step further.  I too want actual accurate playback.  But then recognizing that reproduced in my house is an illusion that can never fully replicate the actual recording just by transparently reproducing the recorded signal, I don't mind altering it to sound more pleasing to my preferences.  But without an accurate base to work from you could get lost in a hurry. 

post #38 of 39

You can actually reproduce what the original engineers intended in your home. I've done it, so can you.

post #39 of 39
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You can actually reproduce what the original engineers intended in your home. I've done it, so can you.


Oh I agree.  But sometimes I don't like what they intended.  But with an accurate baseline to start with I do get to listen to it their way and see if I like something different. Half the time I do like their way. 

 

But I am under no illusions that is 'improved or higher fidelity' when I change it according to my preferences.  I know it is not.  I realize it is nothing more than a preference.  Some recordings from long ago amaze me with the intent being so spot on.  Others amaze me that anyone paid for the work could have wanted what they produced.  So accuracy is available like never before, but the point is still enjoying the music.  And sometimes I like careful adulteration of the product. 

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