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:thumb: There we go!

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Scrunchie soundstage there.  :D

 

Oh, kinda like headphones.  

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I see a USB powered DAC/amp combo that's 1.1 compliant for use with iPhone, laptop use, etc.  I see it because I want it, but also- please make that.

 

Also, a logical progression would be to make speaker amps that pair with the Bifrost- that would have wider appeal than recommending use of powered speakers through an Asgard or Lyr.

 

Please do it.  I will buy both- once I decide on some speakers...

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ADC... the most popular not-crazy-expensive ADC stuff is usually the 2-in and 2or4-out boxes for amateur DJs and self-recording artists getting into the game. Those usually run in the $150-300 range before jumping into kilobucks. But there's a change in that market into mobile recording too (and entry into that realm is a couple hundred bucks more). Driver issues will probably also drive you batty.

Or maybe you're talking vinyl to digital whatzits. I dunno.

I used the Griffin iMic for years to digitize cassettes. But they clearly state on their site they will not provide tech specs or details. As they say, for a $40 product they retain the right to swap things around to hit that price. http://griffintechnology.com/support/article/what-are-exact-technical-specifications-imic-mac-and-pc?backref=node%2F626&backref_title=iMic

But hell, it’s cassette. The source material is crappy enough it doesn't matter.

The iMic finally bit the bullet, so I swapped to a Behringer U-CONTROL UCA222. 2-in, 2-out, headphone amp, USB-to-Toslink SPDIF: all for around $40. But the only tech spec is "up to 48k", whatever that means in context.

But hell, it’s only cassettes, right?

Well, I'm about to resurrect my old Oracle Delphi turntable and delve back into my collection of obscure Canadian punk rock that never leapt the digital divide.

Now it matters.

I’d love a dedicated ADC in the $100 - $250 range that lets me choose between 16/44.1, 16/48, or 24/96. Again, it's vinyl. I don't see a need for anything higher. No need for the RIAA stage, either - you’re making one to sell separately, and I still have a perfectly suitable Museatex PA-6 preamp with MM input.
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Passive pre with stepped attenuator. Hmm. This is a great example of a well-presented business case. It hits all the high points: that we already have the technology, that the competition is limited and pricey, and that we don't already supply an attenuator for balanced systems. We've talked about this, but more in the context of putting a 4-gang pot in a box. Which, in a Bifrost-sized box (necessary for the balanced connectors, etc) could easily come out being $199--a big step up from the Sys. Swap the pot for relays, a microprocessor and programming, and add a couple of inputs, and the necessary wall-wart to run the micro and relays, and you could look at $299. Aaannd--might you want a simple buffer option? Or even a gain stage option? Making it modular makes it customizable--but also dictates that you have a good power supply to run the active stages. Add more money...

 

Add a remote control...this is where things get sticky. There are two choices here.

 

a. The first is to use a standard IR remote (which needs to be sourced) and register the control codes for it. Not a giant deal, but tedious, and could easily add another $100. And the remotes are usually the first thing to break. Or be lost. Or whatever. And most look like ass. Machined aluminum remote? Price keeps going up.

 

b.The second choice is to use, say, a Bluetooth receiver and do an app to run it. More complexity, more software, more compatibility issues with 8000 version of Android, and the interminable back and forth with Apple. Again, not impossible, but it does add complexity.

 

Hey I'm more than happy with a non-remote controlled no frills Ragnorak stepped attenuator in a box.  Keep in mind a goldpoint SAX1 (their most basic model) starts at $430 and only has 24 steps most of which are 2 db and some of which are more.  

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As for new gear that has a direct impact on providing improved fidelity to the general public, I think there is a lot of room for Schiit to make consumer-grade products that integrate into consumer-grade audio systems that can make a definite improvement in audio fidelity for the average person.

For example, I can't think of any graphic equalizers that come in a non-pro form factor (i.e., rackmount with 1/4" TRS or XLR connectors). A desktop 31-band stereo graphic equalizer with RCA inputs at a reasonable price would offer tangible results in improving the fidelity of the average-joe's audio system. These days the consumer graphic EQ is all but extinct. The options are No EQ or trying to integrate a rackmount pro-audio solution with TRS or XLR connectors. How does one dial in room correction for their stereo without EQ? How does one correct the frequency balance of their headphones without EQ?

The same can be said for a stereo 2/way cross over. Only options seem to be buy an AVR with DSP, or buy a rackmount pro audio crossover and fumble around with rca-to-XLR/TRS connectors. I have a 2.1 setup with powered speakers and a powered sub. You can't find a powered sub in the < $500 range that has highpass filtered line level outputs for feeding powered monitors. I had to choose between my monitor's woofers jumping out of the enclosure during the cannon blasts in the 1812 overture or placing a rackmount crossover on my desk next to modi and getting the requisite rca-xlr and xlr-rca connectors to hook it all together.

Both of these concerns are addressed by the miniDSP project with free REW software or ridiculously expensive Dirac software. The hardware starts at around $100.

But this is anything but consumer friendly. You need to be a dedicated hobbyist willing to become part sound engineer, part electrical engineer and part software engineer.

That being said, I'd love a plug-n-play room correction box for my office 2.1 rig... without having to embark on a new career. I don't think it fits the Schiit philosophy, however, if you recall their mission statement. Limited market too.

EDIT: For those that may have forgotten, Schiits philosophy is summarized in this post: http://www.head-fi.org/t/701900/schiit-happened-the-story-of-the-worlds-most-improbable-start-up/1185#post_10605619 and their principles are laid out here: http://schiit.com/about/principles. Between those, I don't see Schiit having much interest in room-correction boxes. No matter how much I might want one...
Edited by valiant66 - 8/18/14 at 3:25pm
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Jason,

 

You could just make the remote an option, an add-on board for the Philips receiver/needed hardware  and we can buy the Apple remote anyplace  : )

 

 

Until it is unavailable. Sorry, I won't build our company on quicksand (though I do like the Apple remotes.) 

 

If we do remote-controlled products, it will be with a custom IR unit that I can assure will be available continuously, or a smartphone app using Bluetooth (and all the associated pain with software upgrades.) 

 

Again, these comments do not necessarily point to new products...simply clarifying some of the decisions we make when considering what to do next. But no way would we ever build something predicated on the availability of another manufacturer's device.

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FWIW, unless you plan to offer a full-featured stereo or HT preamp, I say leave the remote control out of Schiit products.  Your niche is desktop, and if you need a remote for that then you must have t-rex arms.  (That being said I do plan to try the Yggdrasil DAC in my main stereo rig, but there's no remote needed for a DAC IMO.)

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FWIW, unless you plan to offer a full-featured stereo or HT preamp, I say leave the remote control out of Schiit products.  Your niche is desktop, and if you need a remote for that then you must have t-rex arms.  (That being said I do plan to try the Yggdrasil DAC in my main stereo rig, but there's no remote needed for a DAC IMO.)

 

I hear you. I expect we'll have some "regular" 2-channel stuff eventually, but we're not going to do anything that's simply a "me-too" product. There's plenty of good 300Wx2 amps out there, so what's our differentiator? Cheap circlotron? Maybe. Maybe not. Preamps, yeah, that's a thinner niche on the affordable side, but it's also a bigger discussion (tubes, no tubes, phono pre, how big, how full-featured, circlotron, etc? 

 

Add to the fact that 2-channel is more actively anti-direct-sale as far as press goes, well...no timelines, no promises. 

 

Again--just discussing the decisions that wrap around new product development...

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I hear you. I expect we'll have some "regular" 2-channel stuff eventually, but we're not going to do anything that's simply a "me-too" product. There's plenty of good 300Wx2 amps out there, so what's our differentiator? Cheap circlotron? Maybe. Maybe not. Preamps, yeah, that's a thinner niche on the affordable side, but it's also a bigger discussion (tubes, no tubes, phono pre, how big, how full-featured, circlotron, etc? 

 

Add to the fact that 2-channel is more actively anti-direct-sale as far as press goes, well...no timelines, no promises. 

 

Again--just discussing the decisions that wrap around new product development...


Good to hear.  I really love new product development: and I absolutely hate new product development.  I'm pretty certain anyone else involved in those activities knows what I mean.. and I admire that you and your team seem to do it so well.  :)

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Good to hear.  I really love new product development: and I absolutely hate new product development.  I'm pretty certain anyone else involved in those activities knows what I mean.. and I admire that you and your team seem to do it so well.  :)

 

 

I support measurements for most of our NPD projects. The challenges I run into are prints with lots of GD&T unrelated to the function of the part or not to the standard. Most of the engineers are open to making changes to the prints. Unfortunately, those few who are obstinate tend to lead the teams.

 

I echo Ableza's comment: I admire Schiit's R&D work.

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I support measurements for most of our NPD projects. The challenges I run into are prints with lots of GD&T unrelated to the function of the part or not to the standard. Most of the engineers are open to making changes to the prints. Unfortunately, those few who are obstinate tend to lead the teams.

 

I echo Ableza's comment: I admire Schiit's R&D work.

 

Thank you!

 

It's funny. We do play around quite a bit with some off-the-wall stuff (which is how Vali happened), but, these days, we do have to ask a lot of questions (internally) about "what should we do next/what's a good new product for us/how does this differentiate from other stuff" that may seem to be limiting. Of course, we're still playing, but it's a lot harder to, say, play around with high-power speaker amps. For that, you have to start with the thermal design (heatsinking), which dictates chassis dimensions, which dictates transformer size and placement, which dictates internal layout...it's a lot harder to "build that on a sheet of plywood and see what we come up with." Which is another reason we haven't done much in that arena. 

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Thanks Jason, all great points  :)  ... As always I miss the easy reasons (even after you said the same thing in a earlier post) and I am the guy who blows a gasket because Levi changes the sizing on 501s 3 times in 20 years...  : )  Everybody has to change  :) 

 

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I've realized that I have been terrible at posting photo updates to go with the story, so let's fix that now.

 

 

Early Schiithole—front.

 

 

Early Schiithole—back. Very nice.

 

 

Tony's first desk at the Schiithole.

 

 

 

Stock at the Schiithole.

 

 

Units waiting for listen-testing at the Schiithole.

 

 

My early desk at the Schiithole--with bonus Magni prototype, Mjolnir production, beer, and giant finger (?)

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You like to say Schiit a lot, don't you.

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