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I believe this was addressed in one of the other chapters

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I actually enjoy the clicks...something about it letting me know that the device is working and is adjusting for the various sample rates coming in.  It's almost an old school-feeling feature to me.  Never bothered me once. *shrugs*

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Originally Posted by paulraulerson View Post
 

Great great story - I am seriously enjoying this. 

 

One itty bitty question though - why the heck didn't you mute the DAC when you reset it? Those clicks are - annoying.  Able to be overlooked perhaps, but still annoying. :) 

 

-Paul 

 

It doesn't click through your headphones, the DAC itself mechanically clicks from the relay. Kind of hard to mute a relay.

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Originally Posted by HeyWaj10 View Post
 

I actually enjoy the clicks...something about it letting me know that the device is working and is adjusting for the various sample rates coming in.  It's almost an old school-feeling feature to me.  Never bothered me once. *shrugs*

 

 

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It doesn't click through your headphones, the DAC itself mechanically clicks from the relay. Kind of hard to mute a relay.

Yup. Especially @HeyWaj10's post.  It just feels like solid quality to me.  I know something is going on.  My Oppo HA-1 does the same thing when inputs are changed or sample rates change.

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One itty bitty question though - why the heck didn't you mute the DAC when you reset it? Those clicks are - annoying.  Able to be overlooked perhaps, but still annoying. :) 

 

How do you mute... a muting relay?

 

BTW, my Bifrost doesn't click... is it normal? :rolleyes: 

 

EDIT: I assume this is because it's connected over USB, where data stream is kinda persistent and packet based.


Edited by madwolfa - 6/4/14 at 11:26am
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How do you mute... a muting relay?

 

BTW, my Bifrost doesn't click... is it normal? :rolleyes: 

 

EDIT: I assume this is because it's connected over USB, where data stream is kinda persistent and packet based.

Mine doesn't click either, even though JRiver MC says I'm getting different sample rates

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Yup, USB doesn't click.

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Yep, USB gives us more information, so we can manage the clicking. With SPDIF, it's just "oh schiit, something's different, mute the system, figure it out, and then turn it back on." 

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Yep, USB gives us more information, so we can manage the clicking. With SPDIF, it's just "oh schiit, something's different, mute the system, figure it out, and then turn it back on." 

 

That's smart... otherwise it could "pssSchcchShshchhhhsh" your eardrums out if something's funky with the data stream.

Like if you suddenly decide to send a bitstream signal there instead of PCM, say, undecoded Dolby Digital or DTS....

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That's smart... otherwise it could "pssSchcchShshchhhhsh" your eardrums out if something's funky with the data stream.

Like if you suddenly decide to send a bitstream signal there instead of PCM, say, undecoded Dolby Digital or DTS....

 

Yeah, full-scale digital noise is usually not good for the system. That's one of the reasons we went with an absolute, hard mute, rather than a soft (DAC) mute. But the main reason is that you have to reset all the clocks and such when sample rates change on SPDIF. This can be managed pretty seamlessly when we have a USB receiver providing the clocks (which are set for all bit depths and sample rates in the firmware), but much less so with a SPDIF receiver, which has to sort things out with PLLs and such.

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Jason,

Please explain more about the Airport Express issue.


**And there’s not a lot of really bad gear out there, to be honest. Pretty much any computer won’t light it. It really only comes on with really, really awful stuff, like satellite receivers and Apple Airport Express sources. And some old CD players that have gone off-frequency. That’s about it. Everything else runs in high-precision VCXO mode.


Thank you,
R
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And does it pertain to the AppleTV, as well?

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Originally Posted by Jason Stoddard View Post
 

 

  • Internal. Let’s say you want to move data from a CD drive to a DAC internal in the CD player. After recovery of the data from the disk, it’s usually moved around via I2S, which is, hey, bit, word, data. Ideal? Sure. Why don’t they use this outside of the box? There’s no single accepted standard. But we can dream.

 

 

At the risk of being monotonous, I would dearly love to see the Ygg introduced with an balanced LVDS I2S via HDMI (PSA std.) digital signal input.  There are now multiple manufacturer products that incorporate this or a compatible I2S HDMI format for signal I/O, so one can argue this standard is growing, and the more transports, DDCs and DACs that offer this I2S format the more it will gain traction for industry acceptance and product implementation.  And to paraphrase, "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one..."

 

EDIT:  Disingenuous statement. No dreams of note.


Edited by jacal01 - 6/26/14 at 7:53am
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I would hate to see an HDMI connector on the back of the Yggdrasil. I could go for I2S over say mini-xlr or a LEMO, I could get behind Neutrik circular industrial connectors, hell I'd even take RJ45 over HDMI.

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I would hate to see an HDMI connector on the back of the Yggdrasil. I could go for I2S over say mini-xlr or a LEMO, I could get behind Neutrik circular industrial connectors, hell I'd even take RJ45 over HDMI.

 

I like the DIN.

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