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post #16 of 53
Yes, and also what headphones? I find HD558 on iPod touch 4 to be quite good. I also don't hear difference between lossless and AAC256 on most material.
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Again - what model iPod?

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post #17 of 53

Heard it - very nice, neutral and flat - the way a DAP should be IMO.

 

If you're looking for a cheap way to tailor your sound - suggest doing it with EQ.  Couple of apps to look at:

 

Equaliser - straight parametric EQ - brilliant if you know what you're doing and inclined to tinker

Sonic Max Pro - might be more to your liking - very simple, and dials can be tweaked to give you more body/bass - based on same BBE that is in the Cowon players.

 

Apps are significantly cheaper than your other options.

post #18 of 53
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Already have the Equalizer app that I paid a whopping $3 for. It's pretty good..but a pain because I sit there and tweak the EQ for every single song I listen to
post #19 of 53
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I would like to get new headphones but I'd rather not until I would be able to demo them first..too many options
post #20 of 53

CD players are awesome but when you start listening to it, you run into problems with both CD & the player after some years (or even before). The CD will eventually scratch up and be non useable.The CD players has its own list of faults and since some of the best discmans are out of warranty its just a matter of time when it will just stop working.

 

If you can try one of the Sony mp3 walkman (even the E-series), you will notice a huge change in sound. They are excellent DAPs and I personally have not had one issue with it. I dont have any but it was my first mp3 walkman after the ipod touch 4G.

 

I started listening to walkmans & discmans from 90s onwards. My first discman I purchased was a Sony MP3/Atrac discman and used mp3 disc somewhere around 1999. It was my main unit and I continued with it till the 4 generation ipod classic. Never had luck with NET MD walkmans as I always encountered 'BSOD' while transferring. My 4G ipod classic lasted so long and was replaced by a 4G ipod classic and from then on my craze started. I bought my first Sony mp3 walkman in 2009

 

So what I'm saying is I always was happy with the sound, but with a Sony my eyes blinked and I thought to myself why I never listened to one earlier.


Edited by AUDIOBREEDER - 1/21/14 at 6:30pm
post #21 of 53

The ipod 5g has a tiny bit of bass roll off with some headphones, although its fairly subtle, so it may just be the headphones you're using.

 

That said, I'd expect the output on many CD players to be worse in this case.  They're rarely designed for driving headphones and can sometimes roll off quite badly when used with anything but line in to powered speakers, at least IME.  

post #22 of 53
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Where do I get high quality CD's? Or how would I know?
post #23 of 53
I connected a CD player which I don't use often (a Cambridge Audio Azur 640C) into my Fiio E9 using a cable from the L/R phono sockets to a stero jack socket. The CD player's line out was unsurprisingly a higher level than my Teclast T51 portable player. Playing a CD and then a flac file of the same CD I found the CD to be brighter and harsher with perhaps more soundstage but generally less high quality than my T51. Presumably a rack CD player is more attuned to giving a high quality performance with speakers rather than headphones.
post #24 of 53
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Music CDs(albums) you buy from retail stores are orignal and highest quality(1144kbps) but if you rip them to MP3 format(320kbps)and store them in to PC or on CD-R then quality willbe much less than orignal cd album. So 256kbps iTunes music is also lossy format and it noticeble if compare to WAV(1144kbps) or lossless formats like Apple lossless format, FLAC ect.

 

Have you ever performed an ABX (blind) lossless vs aac256 - volume matched?  Again - the software is free to do this - and full instructions are here:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/655879/setting-up-an-abx-test-simple-guide-to-ripping-tagging-transcoding

 

Just make sure you are comparing the exact same master file - IE rip a CD to lossless, then transcode that file to the lossy codec you wnat to compare.  I really suggest that you try flac or wav against aac256.

 

I'd be extremely surpriced if you actually find any noticeable difference "So 256kbps iTunes music is also lossy format and it noticeble if compare to WAV(1144kbps) or lossless formats like Apple lossless format"

 

Until you have done it - I'd actually suggest not quoting this sort of thing as fact.  Whilst theoretically lossless must be better than lossy.  In practical terms (under controlled conditions to eliminate placebo) - most people can't tell the difference.

post #25 of 53
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There is big difference but to see real difference you need highend gears like if you are using portable rig to findout how much or how big the difference is then you must need highend portable DAPs like Fiio X3, iMod iPod+AMPs, iBasso DX100 not like Sansa Clip+, iPod Classic, Nano because these MP3 players won,t have enough power to show the real difference. Then you need highend IEMs like JH13Pro, Sony EX1000, Westone ES5 ect, because this combo shows the difference between these files with better resolution, seperation, power, soundstage and imaging. Again if you are using MP3 player with included earbuds then you may not able to find the difference between these files. Even for PC use you need better soundcard with external AMPs or DAC/AMPs with better headphones, to see the real difference between these files.

 

You didn't answer the question - but I take it from your reply you have never performed a blind level matched abx.  I gave you links for the software.  It;s all free.  All it takes is time.  For the record, I have yet to find anyone who can consistently abx properly transcoded lossless from aac256 (both from same master source).  This includes a guy with a Stax SR007 system (who could sometimes tell the difference between specific lossless and MP3 V0 320 - not all the time - depended on the recording).

 

Like I said - aac256 is pretty much audibly transparent to the majority of listeners.  The ones who tell you otherwise IME have never conducted the blind tests.

 

All my gear is in my profile - I notice you list no gear at all.

 

If there is no audible difference - it doesn't matter how good your gear is, you won't hear it.

 

I know you won't do this - but I'll encourage you to try it anyway.  Open your mind.  Do the tests.  Find out for yourself.  Don't blindly "parrot" the same myths.  It doesn't do anyone any favours - especially newcomers to audio who are easily swayed. 

post #26 of 53
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I don't have a computer so there's no way I could. But I'll take your word for it.
post #27 of 53
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I don't have a computer so there's no way I could. But I'll take your word for it.

You know, just a few years ago this posting would have been so absurd. wink.gif I'm getting old. But isn't it tedious to handle the web using only small mobile devices and other, usually fairly limited "non-computers"? I don't think I could ever enjoy it.
post #28 of 53
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Well I had a computer but it stopped working,I just don't see the need to buy a new one!
post #29 of 53
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Originally Posted by willitblend View Post

iPod touch 5th generation.

 

see here the specs for the ipod touch 5th.  RULER flat.  if you think it sounds thin, it's not the ipod it's something else (headphones, music files, etc.)

post #30 of 53
That is an excellent read, as is the reports for all the other apple gear on his website, thanks for posting!!! I knew my ipad2 and iTouch 4 sounded good....now I know how good smily_headphones1.gif
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see here the specs for the ipod touch 5th.  RULER flat.  if you think it sounds thin, it's not the ipod it's something else (headphones, music files, etc.)
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