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I need help choosing the high-end mp3 player and headphones. 800$ pricerange. I mostly listen to metal.

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

Hello

 

I need help choosing a new mp3 player and new headphones. I have looked at Colorfly C4 for mp3 player and Meze 88 for headephones but I am open for suggestions. I have also looked at the V-Moda Crossfade M-100 headphones but as I said I have no idea of what kind of headphones would work best.

For me it is the quality of the music that matters the most and everything else comes second. The music I usually listen too is metal. (black, death, folk.) I listen to a bit classical music too. The budget for the mp3 is 800$ and it is the same for the headphones.

What would you recommend?

 

Thanks in advance for the help.

post #2 of 12
For that price, I would rather have an Astell & Kern DAP. Of course, I would never actually buy a DAP for that price...
post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the reply.

 

I have looked around and the HiFiMAN HM-801 and Astell&Kern AK120/100 mp3 players seem to be the some of the best. Which one of theese would you recommend?

And I am still at a loss when it comes to what kind of headphones I should get.

post #4 of 12
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Originally Posted by Porhati View Post
 

Thanks for the reply.

 

I have looked around and the HiFiMAN HM-801 and Astell&Kern AK120/100 mp3 players seem to be the some of the best. Which one of theese would you recommend?

And I am still at a loss when it comes to what kind of headphones I should get.

I own the Hm801 and it's very Lush and natrual, I use the hm801 with a Audio Technica W1000x and a iBasso Pb2

 

Still look at the Hm 802, the hm801 is very nice! But it has a nice warm lush sound, which pairs nice with brighter leaner and drier headphones, since your not sure which headphone to get, I'd try thr hm802 first. It's just as niec as the hm801 [it lacks native USb Dac support but that's not a big loss imo]

 

and as far as headphones go, you need to decide if you can use Open or Closed Headphone

 

actually here is a thought... get your self an iBasso Pb1 [used] and a MrSpeaker Alpha Dog, Dan him self recommends the Balanced Alpha Dog with the iBasso Amps. the Pb1 sells for around $150, and the Alpha Dog is $600 new. The AD is closed so it will ioslate and block out outside noise, not to mention it sounds very open, or spacious

 

So yea, grab your self an Hifiman Hm802, a used iBasso Pb1 from the Head Fi FS thread and a new Mr Speakers Alpha Dog [balanced] and I think you'll be a very happy camper 

post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 

Thanksa lot for the help.

So how does the Hifiman Hm802 compare to the Astell&Kern AK120 when it comes to sound quality? Is the AK 120 worth is it trowing money away for little improvement? The reason I ask is because I can`t find the Hifiman Hm802 anywhere.

And is mrspeakers.com the only place I can buy the headphones?


Edited by Porhati - 1/20/14 at 10:10am
post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by Porhati View Post
 

Thanks for the help. So how does the Hifiman Hm802 compare to the Astell&Kern AK120 when it comes to sound quality? Is the AK 120 worth is it trowing money away?

And is mrspeakers.com the only place I can buy the headphones?

yea for the Alpha Dog I think Mr Speaks is, there may be a few other sellers, check his web site or email Dan on the WebSite. He's super friendly

 

the hm802 vs AK 120... I've never owned an A&K player, but I'm about to buy my Third Hifiman DAP, I'd go with the hifiman hm802,

post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 

Thanks. I will send him an email. By the way I found the HiFiMAN HM-802 + Standard Amp Card here: http://head-direct.com/Products/?act=detail&id=187

Is this the one I am looking for? The reason I am asking is because I found the HM-802 + Balanced Amp Card on hifiman`s own site:http://hifiman.com/Products/?pid=188

Is there actually a difference here that is noteworthy?

 
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 

I have found a site that sells the HM 802 but they sell it with different amp cards. They sell: + Balanced Amp Card , IEM Amp Card , Minibox Amp Card , Standard Amp Card . Is there any point in getting the "Balanced Amp Card" version over the "Standard Amp Card"? And is the price difference worth it?

post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by Porhati View Post
 

I have found a site that sells the HM 802 but they sell it with different amp cards. They sell: + Balanced Amp Card , IEM Amp Card , Minibox Amp Card , Standard Amp Card . Is there any point in getting the "Balanced Amp Card" version over the "Standard Amp Card"? And is the price difference worth it?

Honestly, I would need to do some reaserach on that, While I like the optional amp cards for the hm802, I don't recommend you use the onBoard Amp unless you want a pair of cIems or Custom In Ear Monitors OR {$800 Ear Buds] which CiEMS have a nice sound, on par with full sized headphones, how ever they don't need much amping

 

So I might go with the Balanced Amp Card on the hm802 if you decide to get a Custom In Ear, which a Custom In Ear is modled to fit inside of YOUR ears, meaning they will b very comfortable 

 

how ever if you'd like a Full Size headphone, the standard card would be best, since your going to use the hm802's Line out Function to byPass the onBoard amp.

 

More improtantly are you listening to 16 and 24bit flacs? You used the term "mp3 Player" and most of the high end DAP [Digital Audio Players] are designed to play CD quality Music, or 16-24 bit Lossless encodings, and truth b told 16bit Flacs do sound better than any Lossy encoded Mp3, so before you spend $1600 on a player and some gear, do make sure your listening to actual Lossless Music 

 

Here's some more info on Music Codecs and quality 

Warning: Long (Click to show)

Uncompressed lossless formats store all of the original recorded data. Since silence is given the same number of bits per second as sound is, uncompressed lossless files are huge. The main uncompressed lossless format is pulse-code modulation (PCM).

Examples

  • WAV (PCM) (used on Windows)
  • AIFF (PCM) (used on Mac OS)

COMPRESSED LOSSLESS

Compressed lossless formats store all of the original recorded data in less space than uncompressed lossless formats by compressing the data. By giving silence almost no bits per second and compressing sound, a compressed lossless file is usually half as big as the same song stored in an uncompressed lossless file.

Since both uncompressed lossless formats and compressed lossless formats retain all the data from the original recording, they can be transcoded between each other without a loss in quality.

Examples

  • Free Lossless Audio Codec (FLAC)
  • Apple Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC)
  • Monkey’s Audio (APE)

LOSSY

Lossy formats are always compressed. Lossy formats have smaller file sizes than both uncompressed lossless formats and compressed lossless formats because they remove some of the original data. Usually the removed data is in the higher frequencies that humans can’t hear, however, there can be obvious audible differences between lossy formats and lossless formats.

Because lossy formats remove data during compression (and thus lose quality), lossy formatsCANNOT be transcoded to lossless formats or other lossy formats without losing more quality.

Examples

  • MPEG Layer 3 Audio (MP3)
  • Advanced Audio Encoding (AAC)
  • Windows Media Audio (WMA)
  • Dolby Digital Audio Codec 3 (AC3)
  • DTS Coherent Acoustics Codec (DTS)

FILE SIZE

Here’s an example of how the file size of the same song varies depending on whether the song’s format is uncompressed lossless, compressed lossless, or lossy. Let’s take the classic pop song, Sk8er Boi by Avril Lavigne. For reference, the song is 3 minutes, 24 seconds long.

Uncompressed Lossless — WAV (PCM): 34.3 MB

Compressed Lossless — FLAC: 25.75 MB (25% compressed)

Lossy — MP3 320 (CBR): 7.78 MB (78% compressed)

Still I'd first get your self some 16bit music if you do not have that already, then get the Players cabale of handleing such music

 

And in retro Spec, the hm802 does not have a "line out" feature built into it, it does but it requires a docking station, so if you plan on using this Music Player and headphone on teh go [with pockets] I'd suggest goin with the hm801, or the A&K 100, what you want from your DAP, is a clean line out to an Amp. Since I recommended the Alpha Dog and iBasso Pb1 

 

There is a link to an iBasso Pb1 being Sold here on head fi, just click the red red text

 

And both the A&K 100 and Hifiman Hm801 have line out [without any additional hardware] and both offer expandable storage, I'd suggest you look each one over and decide which you like in terms of Looks, size and UI. As far as sound goes, the Hm801 is more Natrual, where as the A&K is leaner, think of the A&K100 and Hm801 like steaks, 

 

the hm801 has nice marbleing, [a little richer sound] 

the A&K 100 is leaner, but has been dry aged [a little drier faster sound] 

 

both are high quality cuts of meat, but have a different taste and texture.

 

So it's up to you which one you pick, as both should match nicely with the Alpha Dog and the Pb1, and again I like my Hm801, and the Customer service 

 

There is also, if your willing to wait, the Fiio X5 about to hit the market in the next few months [about $500 usd] I'm actually on the privew list to try one, so [not to give you even more chocies] but in terms of sound 

 

from richest to dryest I'd say

 

hm801

Fiio X5

A&k 100

 

so again, when reaseraching the three, I'd focus on Size, battery life, play back support and UI, as I'm confident teh pb1 and Alpha Dog will sound nice with each one. 

 

You can also try checking the Mr Speakers Alpha Dog thread, and see what owners of teh AD are using with there Alpha Dogs as well, 


Edited by Mshenay - 1/20/14 at 11:12am
post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 

OK. So you would actually recommend the HM 801 over the HM 802?  The HM 802 would still work great with the iBasso Pb1 and Alpha dog though, right?


Edited by Porhati - 1/20/14 at 1:55pm
post #11 of 12
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OK. So you would actually recommend the HM 801 over the HM 802?  The HM 802 would still work great with the iBasso Pb1 and Alpha dog though, right?

Yup it sure would, 

 

And yea it should, to use the Line out It'll need some kind of Docking thing, which it comes with. For Quality it would be best to use the Line out, it's a shame the HM801 doesn't have Line out built into the Device natively, :/ I forgot that the new Hifiman Players need "extras" to get basic features like Line out -.-

 

But other than Size it'll work nicely

 

You can experiment and see if you notice a differance in using the Line out, and the Headphone out for the hm802 with the Pb1, 

post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 

Hey. I know it has been a long time since Iast replied in this thread but I was wondering whether I should get the Hifiman HM -802 or the Hifiman HM-901?

The thing is that I don`t know if I will be able to get the  iBasso Pb1 any time soon. So I am wondering which one would be the best choise with  MrSpeakers Alpha dog headphones without using the iBasso Pb1?

Thanks in advance for the help.


Edited by Porhati - 3/8/14 at 4:53pm
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