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Thanks Djvkool)

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First impression mate? be bold, and straight off the bat comparison with BD 4.2? bigsmile_face.gif
my table is so full of IEMs that all the cables got tangled up and I can't get one out with significant maze solving, and need to go sleep :P . I considered sacrificing D1000 and cutting the cable, but came to my senses.
(gotta love Tyll biggrin.gif. source)
post #288 of 328
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Quite mean putting UM 3X up against the Lear monstrosity. 

 

Yep, I know :wink_face:

 

but then you'll know how good it is if comparison are made against the 'best'

post #289 of 328

excuse the low light flash low q pics

I think I'm ready to send them on come Friday.

=) so remember how much I 'liked' AX60? I like UM 3x about as much. Do I like them more than Ax60. Probably yes.

Disclaimer: I listen at relatively high volumes. About 25 (classical) -29|30 (modern vol levelled) on rockboxed clip zip, depending on the genre for these. (no effects volume)
I've previously had people adjust the volume significantly down after I used the gear.

I've previously remarked listening to IEMs tuned like AX60 at high volumes might not be the way to like them smily_headphones1.gif .

hmm wonder if these account for it (7 and 10k)? If you listen quietly, I'd probably go back read billy's impressions of the sound. It's quite possible UM 3x was tuned with lower volumes in mind. In which case they sound bright and a bit v-shaped, but not painful (at around 35-37 on clip zip). I can still hear the treble peaks there but there's certainly no more 'the bass is hurting me' biggrin.gif





Fit/Isolation

These look very similar to the Mentor mold. I no longer have the latter on hand since I sold it 2 weeks ago. I'm fairly sure the molds are different. I found Mentor to be a deeper fit, more flush and more comfortable.
I suspect, the Mentor body was narrower and maybe the faceplate was less angled
(or maybe someone at UM is laughing at me while reading it. we should just ask).

So. Short nozzle, rather wide conical body. Yea...

Neither of my ears fit flush for me and sit akwardly as pictured. As in the pic, they sit a bit outside the ear, but the seal is good. Isolation for me, given the way they sit is far from amazing.
The edges of the earpieces for UM 3x cut into my ear a bit if I try to insert it as deep as the right. Otherwise the body of the IEM before the nozzle, 'feels full' in the ear and in about 40m hurts as well (lol).

I get the occasional eartip flex sound (I'm not sure if that's what people call driver flex, I suspect at times it may be). I think it's more 'formidable suction' when they seal and silicone tip noise. I slightly shake them lose to remove them but they're otherwise secure (the bass vent does seem to equalize pressure a bit).
I'm fairly sure by varying the tip diameter you can get a good seal in most cases. (I hope they included a couple in the package originally, but for me medium soft silicon, hard core tips fit ok. )

I also get very interesting wind noise (e.g. walking fast biggrin.gif) , that I don't know if it's coming from the vent, but from the hole between the bottom of the concha and the IEM body (!?). I suspect the latter



Accessories:
The nozzle mesh and around the nozzle are covered with black lint. (didn't happen with the Mentor case to me, but seemed to for the others) I'd be pretty curious what happens if one of these gets inside the BA (I hear bad things can happen if put things inside BA drivers) .
Not a fan of the case - size wise for a custom cable or desiccant pod. Probably isn't water-proof either but I'm not going to test it (there is a rubber seal but probably more for the case to fit together when screwed in, instead of metal on metal contact wink.gif


Like with mentor I like the cable - it's supple, thick but flexible, but has no significant touch sound. The cable is insulated enough to not be able to do things on your phone screen on with it. Billymav pointed out the y-split is a plastic tube bit. I think that's that's an interesting trade-off, since it also makes it unobtrusive. No remote option(?) and the plug won't fit a phone case, but I'm not sure how many want that.



Build:
The review (djvcool's ?) unit has a 'interesting' clear shells. It's a stepped spider web-like (less vertical lines) texture on the inside of the left blue one.

Probably immaterial/not necessarily an issue for people or a production quality sample(?). Overall, I think new Merlins or Mentor had a better shell quality :| (although my mentor was a black color so maybe i didn't notice...)



Sound - moderate - to low volume - Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
please see @billymav's impressions a few pages back. I still get a bit annoyed with Treble peaks, but I think far less people will have a problem at lower volumes with these and maybe they're not made to be enjoyed at high ones smily_headphones1.gif

Sound - High volumes: (maybe not the best if you like high volumes wink.gif ) Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Overall:
I think many people will hear them as 'full bass' IEMs with relatively warmish detailed mids (amount wise). The highs and overall shape will depend.
Maybe V-shaped depending on your treble tolerance and insertion depth. On many songs the mids do seem fun and forward and instrument separation and soundstage are good.

However, on about 50% of my music library where i get treble issues (at least the non classical stuff) it feels V-Shaped. Funny thing, I get a wider soundstage feel from D1000. Unfortunately, playing with the 7k and 10k ranges with EQ probably affects soundstage so I wouldn't take my impressions on it there.



Mids:
I'd probably say if not for the highs amount they'd sound forward and fun. The detail is good. but not BD4.2 or Mentor good. When I get sibilance or hot treble problems, they sound relatively recessed.
I'm inclined to say D1000 has more detailed mids as well, but there the detail feel is a combination of the 'wide treble tuning and forward but detailed mids' so maybe not as well. D1000 definitely sounds more diffuse to me.

Bass:
Usually I eq +9-12 dB to get the bass I want (incl D1000, Mentor, Merlin, H200).
For UM 3x I didn't EQ for most songs. +3dB on the clip defines the impact a bit more for me but is too much for many songs. (it does occur to me most people will leave it as is and many will think it's bass-head levels smily_headphones1.gif ). It's definitely north of what even I consider neutral biggrin.gif (JH13ish is neutral for me). Even north of JH16FP.

It's nice for kick drums. I'm undecided about bass guitar. not too sure about decay time (speed) or distortion - would like to see a CSD+distortion measurements one day (at least for bass, both appear to be ok but it somewhat reminds me of the quality on AX60 (which measured odly). I'm pretty sure it's fine and it's just insane sub bass - around 40hz. There are some songs E.g. Burn where the bass impact to me feels unnatural in strange 'too much' slightly quaesy way for indoor quiet listening (normally, I'm not a bass wuss). There seems to be quite a bit off including mid-bass around 100hz as well. They're more agreeable outside re needing a bigger boost there.

Mentor could do something similar but faster with EQ and much less native 40-50hz boost smily_headphones1.gif and more humane levels. For D1000, it's not quite there for sub-bass, but for Clip+ at 7dB bass plus 6/4 does ok but not quite UM 3x levels of ok (bit muddy and slower?)

Highs:
for me it's as hot as AX60, excess treble at around 7khz (eqing down 5dB at 7kHz, with q of 1.7. But THAT'S not all the treble peak goodness and probably resonance I hear . There's also about as much excess 10kHz (again down 5dB at q of 1.7).
Without doing it - a lot of the metal and rock, pop and even hip-hop seems to have nice peak there depending on the song. (encore:)Sigh or maybe I do have an unexpected resonance peaks in 7k and 10k in my hearing compared to other people here wink.gif. Other than that - they're pretty non-fatiguing and well extended. I'm very curious how these sounded before the re-tuning.

Given I've just eqed down fairly large bands with useful information relating to the feeling of brightness, crispness and probably soundstage, I think I should stop there smily_headphones1.gif

Where does it leave me with UM 3x?
The short version is for louder volumes I'm not sure I like UM3x at all (understatement).
I'd think twice before buying it over Dunu D1000 (or soon D2000 or T-PEOS H300)

I'd probably like a day or two to compare to Dita the Answer (still $500 at this point, I think.) that I've been using for a few weeks. I might tomorrow.
For the Answer - aside from cable ergonomics and 'non replaceability' for portable use on the Answer (the product page suggests it's a part of the sound/has durability benefits for non portable use), and unless you're certain you have no highs resonances I'm not at all sure why you'd buy 3x over it, if you listen at higher volumes, especially if you experienced Treble 7 or 10k issues before.) Build quality, look, maybe even fit and even isolation, bass quality , probably even mids detail, balance/versatility (including high or low volumes biggrin.gif). Detail and sound stage in general would be at the very least comparable .
Edited by svyr - 3/12/14 at 6:53am
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Wow, that is excellent write up, thank you mate.

 

Just to clarify the small query you have above, the unit is indeed mine (purchased), not a review copy of UM's :wink_face:

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Originally Posted by djvkool View Post
 

Wow, that is excellent write up, thank you mate.

 

Just to clarify the small query you have above, the unit is indeed mine (purchased), not a review copy of UM's :wink_face:

 

That's fantastic of you @djvkool I'm sure not everyone was aware of this.  Big kudos to you!

 

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excuse the low light flash low q pics

I think I'm ready to send them on come Friday.

=) so remember how much I 'liked' AX60? I like UM 3x about as much. Do I like them more than Ax60. Probably yes.

Disclaimer: I listen at relatively high volumes. About 25 (classical) -29|30 (modern vol levelled) on rockboxed clip zip, depending on the genre for these. (no effects volume)
I've previously had people adjust the volume significantly down after I used the gear.
 

 

Wow, they do look as if they don't fit you well at all!!  They were quite flush for me...

 

And oh my, I didn't realise they scale that badly, that's really surprising! 

 

Even though the misses thinks I listen to music too loudly, I'm careful not to push "my" boundaries, as I'm listening to headphones and earphones every day.

 

PS - Great write up @svyr and very informative... :bigsmile_face: 


Edited by billymav - 3/12/14 at 6:14pm
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That's fantastic of you @djvkool I'm sure not everyone was aware of this.  Big kudos to you!

 

 

Wow, they do look as if they don't fit you well at all!!  They were quite flush for me...

 

And oh my, I didn't realise they scale that badly, that's really surprising! 

 

Even though the misses thinks I listen to music too loudly, I'm careful not to push "my" boundaries, as I'm listening to headphones and earphones every day.

 

PS - Great write up @svyr and very informative... :bigsmile_face: 

 

Giving back to the community mate. us Aussies are a great bunch here, and I will be sure to do more tour in the future, as this one looks to be a success and everyone involved looked after my gear extremely well 

:beerchug:

 

@svyr the 3X fits flush to my ear, in fact it is so flush and comfortable that I can actually sleep on my side with it in my ear (this tells you how massive and deep ears are haha...:bigsmile_face:)

and just for the record, I normally listen to music on about 50% volume with DX-50, Clip+, and C3; 80% with iDevices (Classic, iPhone 4s); and about 30%-40% volume while amped (Aune T1, E10, C&C BH)

post #293 of 328

This is really nice of you, @djvkool !

 

Thanks for doing this. 

post #294 of 328

Nice write-up @svyr ! Based on your description I think i'm going to like the UM 3X signature... 

post #295 of 328

are they really benefit from a good and powerful (amp) source?

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are they really benefit from a good and powerful (amp) source?

Yeah, they do scale up quite well. 

post #297 of 328

Thanks!

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Giving back to the community mate. us Aussies are a great bunch here, and I will be sure to do more tour in the future, as this one looks to be a success and everyone involved looked after my gear extremely well 
beerchug.gif

@svyr
 the 3X fits flush to my ear, in fact it is so flush and comfortable that I can actually sleep on my side with it in my ear (this tells you how massive and deep ears are haha...bigsmile_face.gif )
and just for the record, I normally listen to music on about 50% volume with DX-50, Clip+, and C3; 80% with iDevices (Classic, iPhone 4s); and about 30%-40% volume while amped (Aune T1, E10, C&C BH)
beerchug.gif thanks for letting us try it out.

Ps no wonder UM merlin bigger mold fit you well
Edited by svyr - 3/13/14 at 4:35am
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Originally Posted by djvkool View Post

Giving back to the community mate. us Aussies are a great bunch here, and I will be sure to do more tour in the future, as this one looks to be a success and everyone involved looked after my gear extremely well 
beerchug.gif

@svyr
 the 3X fits flush to my ear, in fact it is so flush and comfortable that I can actually sleep on my side with it in my ear (this tells you how massive and deep ears are haha...bigsmile_face.gif )
and just for the record, I normally listen to music on about 50% volume with DX-50, Clip+, and C3; 80% with iDevices (Classic, iPhone 4s); and about 30%-40% volume while amped (Aune T1, E10, C&C BH)
80% is actually really high. With IEMs I usually never go above 1/3.
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80% is actually really high. With IEMs I usually never go above 1/3.

+1

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