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post #61 of 72

It's all still very inexact and subjective.  Even staying within one manufacturer, one could say the W4 and UM3X are equally good as far as a certain level up the chain but they sound very different from one another.

 

If somebody is into music and into good audio I can't imagine somebody buying one or two IEM's and saying "this sounds great, I am done."  It just doesn't work that way with any hobby.  I don't know any fisherman with one pole, or photography buffs with one camera or hunters with one gun, etc.

 

Improvements are relative to one's budget.  Let's say you are a really big fan of SE535.  Of course the bass enhancement of SE846 is NOT worth more than double of what the SE535 costs but if you have the money to spend on an upgrade and you feel that a much improved bass  was all you needed to reach your audio nirvana, then by all means it is worth it.

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post #62 of 72

Is SE846 just bass enhancements?  I would think there would be more than that.  In the end you have to try out the headphones yourself and see if there are any significant improvements.  My most highend purchase is FitEar ToGo and after listing to them for awhile, I cannot bear the sound of TripleFi anymore.  I personally think your ears get spoiled as you keep going higher end.  I don't think it's diminishing returns, I notice significant sonic difference between a $200 headphone and $1300 headphone.

post #63 of 72
I would drop the cash on a totl pair like the se846. Do that and don't think about headphones for a few years.
I currently have the w4r but will buy the se846 within the next few weeks.
I will be done with earphones for a while after that as I know that any improvements are going to be very minor and I am not interested in custom iem's.
It is the feeling that you are missing out on something that makes you want to upgrade all the time. It is probably a mild form of OCD (or not so mild!). You want to nip it in the bud.
post #64 of 72
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I would drop the cash on a totl pair like the se846. Do that and don't think about headphones for a few years.
I currently have the w4r but will buy the se846 within the next few weeks.
I will be done with earphones for a while after that as I know that any improvements are going to be very minor and I am not interested in custom iem's.
It is the feeling that you are missing out on something that makes you want to upgrade all the time. It is probably a mild form of OCD (or not so mild!). You want to nip it in the bud.

 

Just curious: why aren't you interested in customs?

post #65 of 72
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Just curious: why aren't you interested in customs?
I just like to keep things simple.
I am not into speciality cables or having a "portable" rig like a brick. I am not convinced of the superiority of high res audio over extreme quality on spotify. I just wants stellar sound. I have an iPod touch 5g which sounds great with the w4r and fits into a tiny pocket. I am looking at the new sony nz1 Walkman as well just for a different signature but again a simple device.
I think customs are for people who would kind of scoff at the above. They want to be running cables everywhere and have multiple dacs, attach items with rubber bands and can hear more layers in a track than I ever could. Which is fine and I certainly won't criticise them for it. I certainly enjoy reading about it on here. They have just went to the next level of trying to achieve great sound. By sticking to universals in my mind it is kind of keeping it real.
post #66 of 72

Customs are not better than Universals from my experience.  My ToGo 334 blows alway the 1964-T.  


Edited by SilverEars - 2/2/14 at 1:43am
post #67 of 72
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Customs are not better than Universals from my experience.  My ToGo 334 blows alway the 1964-T.  


With Customs you get perfect fit and comfort. Also it makes sure your iem is at reference plane. So you dont need to tip roll. Also other benefit is low ,mids , highs have separate opening in ear canal (Similar to ToGo 334)

post #68 of 72
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Originally Posted by daviemcc View Post


I just like to keep things simple.
I am not into speciality cables or having a "portable" rig like a brick. I am not convinced of the superiority of high res audio over extreme quality on spotify. I just wants stellar sound. I have an iPod touch 5g which sounds great with the w4r and fits into a tiny pocket. I am looking at the new sony nz1 Walkman as well just for a different signature but again a simple device.
I think customs are for people who would kind of scoff at the above. They want to be running cables everywhere and have multiple dacs, attach items with rubber bands and can hear more layers in a track than I ever could. Which is fine and I certainly won't criticise them for it. I certainly enjoy reading about it on here. They have just went to the next level of trying to achieve great sound. By sticking to universals in my mind it is kind of keeping it real.

I don't travel with a stack but still find customs are worth the extra dollars for the improved comfort, sound and isolation.  Earphones work much like larger speakers.  If you have a mediocre amp and fantastic speakers you'll get great sound.  Not so with the opposite, a great amp and poor speakers.  Of course in an ideal world the entire chain is top end, but if we're spending money wisely the speakers/earphones come first.

post #69 of 72
Speakers don't come first, source does. Garbage In, Garbage Out.
post #70 of 72
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With Customs you get perfect fit and comfort. Also it makes sure your iem is at reference plane. So you dont need to tip roll. Also other benefit is low ,mids , highs have separate opening in ear canal (Similar to ToGo 334)

True.  The 1964-T had the right fit, but lacked low-end and didn't have the spacial sound that ToGo does.  Since ToGo is a universal, you can isolate with a good size silicon tips which increases bass response(usually bass is bloated, but not with ToGo), and that wasn't all it has unmatched clarity.  Details in the mids are alot more pronounced then the low-end customs I've had, not sure about JH FP though, I will most likely get them next.

 

I have ToGo source with objective DAC and O2 amp, and it sound much better than any portable setup I've had.  Even Fiio E17 doesn't seem to drive ToGo that well portably.


Edited by SilverEars - 2/2/14 at 12:47pm
post #71 of 72
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Speakers don't come first, source does. Garbage In, Garbage Out.

Yes, source is important but I was talking about the elements important for reproduction of it.  Anyone who loves music isn't going to use a 128kpbs MP3 file.  Those people won't be planning large HiFi investments.

post #72 of 72
Ah yes. I see where you're coming from now.
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