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post #46 of 72
This is also off-topic so apologies but this is an interesting thread so here goes. I just bought a pair of Soundmagic E30's and they've blown me away! For £40 the sound is amazing. However I do notice them getting a bit flustered when the music gets a bit more complex and I can't seem to get them seated properly in my ears, even with the Comply tips I subsequently bought (the supplied tips were useless).

Anyway, they do sound really good but now I'm wondering just how good things can get. I'm tempted to buy a pair of Shure SE425's. Will that extra £200 deliver much more quality or will it just be different?
post #47 of 72
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Originally Posted by Zorrofox View Post

This is also off-topic so apologies but this is an interesting thread so here goes. I just bought a pair of Soundmagic E30's and they've blown me away! For £40 the sound is amazing. However I do notice them getting a bit flustered when the music gets a bit more complex and I can't seem to get them seated properly in my ears, even with the Comply tips I subsequently bought (the supplied tips were useless).

Anyway, they do sound really good but now I'm wondering just how good things can get. I'm tempted to buy a pair of Shure SE425's. Will that extra £200 deliver much more quality or will it just be different?


Yes and no.

The differences are there only as you venture further up in price range the increases become less and less. Price of diminishing returns kicks in around the $200+ mark. So while going for something like SE425 will offer improvements  it will not be x5 times better then the E30 you have as the price suggests, well not from my experience. There's a chart I use on Head-fi and I suggest you take a look at it.




Some would say you're paying premium for small improvements,  the only advice I can give you is to try a product before purchasing, (although not easy to do in most cases) If not I would stay venturing around the $200 mark for now. If you like the E30 then have a look at something like Vsonic GR07, Dunu DN-1000, T-Peos H-200. These are IEM's in the $200- $250 range that offer good value for money. 
 

post #48 of 72
Thank you. That chart makes a lot of sense too I guess-the law of diminishing returns. There's nowhere here I could go to audition full-size headphones, let alone IEM's. Getting a good fit is half the battle in my opinion. Of the three you list I've only ever seen the V-Sonics on sale in the UK. I'll look into them. Are Shures' not rated? I have a pair of Shure SRH840's and think they sound pretty good if maybe a bit flat. They're far too big too wear out & about though which is why I'm looking at IEM's in the first place.
post #49 of 72
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Originally Posted by Zorrofox View Post

Thank you. That chart makes a lot of sense too I guess-the law of diminishing returns. There's nowhere here I could go to audition full-size headphones, let alone IEM's. Getting a good fit is half the battle in my opinion. Of the three you list I've only ever seen the V-Sonics on sale in the UK. I'll look into them. Are Shures' not rated? I have a pair of Shure SRH840's and think they sound pretty good if maybe a bit flat. They're far too big too wear out & about though which is why I'm looking at IEM's in the first place.


I own Shure 440's, I think they offer great value for money, so much so I'm looking into the SHR940 with that said I had a terrible experience with SHR750DJ. I have no experience with SE425, or any Shure IEM's but they're rated of decent sound quality on Head-fi. I tend to stay away from the mainstream brands as preference. Personally, I'd be looking at the Dunu DN-1000 hybrid, one member here prefer it over SE535 and myself prefer it over both Westone 4 and Westone 3.

Here's his review: http://www.head-fi.org/t/695577/review-dunu-dn1000-immensely-capable-hybrid-iem


I cannot tell which is right for you, but I can offer what I see as popular on the boards.

Goodluck friend.
 

post #50 of 72
Thanks H2O. I like the price of those in your link but not having a lip on the nozzles is an odd design decision. I can't seem to find them here though. As to the Shures I'm not convinced on their cable connection design. It seems a bit gimmicky to me. I see Final Audio Design a lot round these parts, as well as Audiofly. Any opinions on those?

I should point out these will be used exclusively with my phone, a Samsung Galaxy Note 3. I also only use FLAC files.
post #51 of 72
You will most likely not find Dunu in stores, they can be purchased from eBay or Mp4nation.com. All about leaving the mainstream. ;-)
post #52 of 72
I've read a bit more about the Nunus and comfort seems to be an issue. That's one of the primary reasons I have for looking at Shure as they do seem to have fewer derogatory remarks when it comes to comfort and fit.
post #53 of 72
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If you could do it all over, would you just save up from the beginning and buy a flagship like the JH Roxanne's, or would you buy a mid-tier set and just save the money to spend on other areas of life?


I think people who go from budget-fi, mid-fi to Hi-fi will appreciate more the flagship products. Again if you buy a flagship product like Roxanne there is no guarantee that you would like its sound signature or you wouldn't like to try a different sound signature. 

post #54 of 72
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If you could do it all over, would you just save up from the beginning and buy a flagship like the JH Roxanne's, or would you buy a mid-tier set and just save the money to spend on other areas of life?

Good question and what you are suggesting would seem to make a lot of sense.

 

I DO regret repeat purchases of the same IEM which would seem wasteful but as a general answer to your question.....NO the thrill and the ride has been very enjoyable and fun.

 

Each time I made a purchase.  The anticipation and excitement of waiting for the product.  Then once it arrives.  Sometimes I stare at the brand new packaged box for a few min before opening it.  Sort of like a little kid on Christmas morning.  Then opening the box.....testing various tips and various pieces of music....it's all a lot of enjoyment EACH TIME it happens.

 

Plus by going thru all these IEM's and different sounds and grades of sounds, I believe, has provided great knowledge, wisdom and perspective.  Versus 10 years ago, as time has gone by, I know more and more exactly what I like and what I am looking for in a sound.  Finally, I have enjoyed being able to help others out and, hpefully, shorten THEIR learning curve.


Edited by Spyro - 2/1/14 at 1:21pm
post #55 of 72
Of course the answer also depends on disposable income. I have very little and so each upgrade I make - in life, generally - has to be considered and thought through. But when you get it right? There's nothing sweeter.
post #56 of 72
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Yes and no.

The differences are there only as you venture further up in price range the increases become less and less. Price of diminishing returns kicks in around the $200+ mark. So while going for something like SE425 will offer improvements  it will not be x5 times better then the E30 you have as the price suggests, well not from my experience. There's a chart I use on Head-fi and I suggest you take a look at it.




Some would say you're paying premium for small improvements,  the only advice I can give you is to try a product before purchasing, (although not easy to do in most cases) If not I would stay venturing around the $200 mark for now. If you like the E30 then have a look at something like Vsonic GR07, Dunu DN-1000, T-Peos H-200. These are IEM's in the $200- $250 range that offer good value for money. 
 

So I should just stick to my Shure SE535 and not bother spending $1000 on the Shure SE846? Judging by your illustration, the upgrade is only minor :)

post #57 of 72
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So I should just stick to my Shure SE535 and not bother spending $1000 on the Shure SE846? Judging by your illustration, the upgrade is only minor smily_headphones1.gif

You should do what you want to do. smily_headphones1.gif Tell you what, why don't you try it and find out for us?
Edited by H20Fidelity - 2/1/14 at 4:28pm
post #58 of 72

I've noticed more difference in the IEMs that I've owned than I have in full-size headphones. 

post #59 of 72
It's also not always true that more money spent means better sound. A couple of years back I bought a pair of Sennheiser IE6's. I got bored with them and sold them. Now I've bought these Soundmagic E30's for half the price and they're considerably better IMO. They may not measure better, I don't know, but they sure sound better.
post #60 of 72
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It's also not always true that more money spent means better sound. A couple of years back I bought a pair of Sennheiser IE6's. I got bored with them and sold them. Now I've bought these Soundmagic E30's for half the price and they're considerably better IMO. They may not measure better, I don't know, but they sure sound better.

Sennheiser was my introduction to quality audio. I think they have good sound, but err on the side of Bose...meaning, I think that their products are priced higher than the sound they deliver. However, this isn't true with all of their products and the influx of other HP options that "punch above their weight" from the past few years may be the reason I feel this way today. 

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