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post #31 of 43
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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

Are you using high or low gain on the Asgard 2? For 600 Ohm headphones, you should be using high gain.

I'm running out of ideas.

In the audio devices screenshot you posted, highlight the Schiit device, and then click on "Configure" and check the settings. Do the same for each of the tabs under "Properties".

 

I gain is on, for sure.  I instantly noticed the volume levels jump way up.  I did mess with the properties, and ended up turning on the bass boost enhancement.  I also notice my highest range under advanced is 24bit @ 96000 Hz.  My board in my PC is able to reach 24bit @ 192000 via stereo jack.

 

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Originally Posted by manbear View Post
 

Yes, make sure you have the Asgard set to high gain. That should make a difference.

In your settings, make sure that configuration is set to stereo and full-range for front left and right. Disable all effects and enhancements. 

 

 

Okay, that definitely did help; however the bass is still a bit weak.  Hmm...  

post #32 of 43
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Now that I mess around more with the settings, it doesn't seem to make a different anymore between volume levels going wonky, and sounds being amp.  I however did notice something.  When I let the headphones do it's own thing, the bass was definitely beginning to pick up.  It could be the fact I ran this all night:

 

http://www.jlabaudio.com/index/burn-in

 

Still high amounts of treble though.  Hmm..  I'm assuming it's coming down to the headphones now, and perhaps not what I'm used to.  Then again, as I continue to burn in (It's been only 8 hours or less), I wonder if that will get the drivers going a little more.

post #33 of 43
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I'm returning back with more news and perhaps unsatisfied results, but with more questions.  I apologize for the overwhelming amount of information I'm seeking, and I'm extremely appreciative of all the help all of you have given me.  I'm slowly becoming a regular to this site (outside of my own thread), everyone is extremely awesome here.

 

Funny to say, today I was cleaning my house in preparation for my family to visit, and started cleaning under my desk.  I thought "Does my computer have optical out by chance?"—it does.  To my complete surprise, it does.  I completely overlooked (plus smacked myself upside the head) the fact that my motherboard I built this computer with comes with a built in sound card, and the interface/options and capability was way higher than I expected.  That must explain why I found the sound directly from my headphone jack better on the lower ohm headphones compared to the Modi+Asgard 2 with a higher ohm headphone.

 

Now new thoughts are arising; including one where someone said something along the lines of "you may not like the outcome of buying all these items, otherwise you will if you go big, you wont regret it".  I didn't go as big as I could because paying an extra $100 for the USB on the Bifrost was a little more than I wanted to go for considering it was 1/4th of the price for 90% of the quality.  Now that it's not as expensive, it's not out of the question.

 

This is where things get complicated as I attempt to search for more information online.  For fun I plugged my Sennheisers 598's into the computer's headphone slot, and then plugged them into the Asgard 2 @ low gain (headphones have 50 ohms).  The sound is so close, but my computer can actually put more depth into the music that I can notice.  The DAC/AMP does give the headphones more oomph though (go figure), however sounds a tad flat.  Right now I'm using an orchestra song with a singer at lossless quality—Fear Not This Night from Jeremy Soule.  The song consists of build up, pianos while bass violins strum in the back, and a singer's voice who climbs to high pitches.

 

I have come to the conclusion that I just don't like the Beyer's.  It sounds very airy, the treble is just too high.  The comfort is amazing however.  If you listen to the song I mentioned, at 28 seconds the bass violins queue in, and they feel so weak with the Beyer's.  Almost as if they're not there at all.  With the Senn's, I sink back into my chair and smile.

 

TL;DR? ---------

 

Anyway, I'm writing a book here; sorry.  Back to the main point of this post.  I notice the optical on the back of the computer and thought; would it be really worth selling/returning the Modi, and going for the Bifrost using an optical cable?  Will I notice a significant difference because the fact I'm going optical (digital) rather than using a USB?  Would it be necessary for me to install the drivers from their website to help it further?

 

If not, it makes me frown the fact I have two beautiful pieces of equipment sitting here on the table but may end up unused equipment.  I payed huge for customs because I shipped to Canada, and I doubt Kijiji (Craig's List?) would even have such a market for it.  Is it 15% restocking fee?  I wonder what it would cost to even send just the Modi back from Canada.

 

Please leave your thoughts, and thank you so much again guys.

post #34 of 43
IMO, your best bet is to return the DT-880 and get some headphones with more bass and less treble. Headphones have much more effect on the tonal balance you're hearing than the DAC does. Upgrading the DAC will not change as much as different, not necessarily better, headphones will.

I can't make any solid recommendations for new headphones, as the headphones I've owned, the DT-990, AKG Q701, and Hifiman HE-400, are all on the bright side and it seems like you do not want that.
Edited by manbear - 1/18/14 at 7:27pm
post #35 of 43
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IMO, your best bet is to return the DT-880 and get some headphones with more bass and less treble. Headphones have much more effect on the tonal balance you're hearing than the DAC does. Upgrading the DAC will not change as much as different, not necessarily better, headphones will.

I can't make any solid recommendations for new headphones, as the headphones I've owned, the DT-990, AKG Q701, and Hifiman HE-400, are all on the bright side and it seems like you do not want that.

 

Exactly what I'm thinking as well.  Maybe in the future I'll get the Bifrost, but I'll hold off for now.

 

In the meantime however, I'm learning more and more about bright vs warmer sounds.  It seems I enjoy the warmer at this point, and I'm glad I'm finally finding that extreme comfort position.  I'm actually in the middle of ordering the Sennheiser 650's.  Shipping takes two days, and if I'm unsatisfied, Amazon.ca gives full refunds

 

Quick question though, out of the blue while I'm listening to the music from the DAC+AMP; out of no where the music goes off for a few seconds, then returns.  The music wasn't paused during this "fallout".  Is that a defect, or getting too hot lets say?

post #36 of 43
Music going in and out could be due to your CPU having some kind of latency issue, most likely because you have too many programs open at once, or just clicked on a program, etc. You can minimize this by closing as many nonessential programs as possible while listening to music.
post #37 of 43
Well, that's a shame about the Beyers, but I agree - trying different 'phones does seem like the right thing to do. FYI, when comparing any gear, always try to match the volume level you hear as closely as possible. If "A" is slightly louder than "B", it is very common for "A" to be thought to sound better.

On the music pauses - this is only happening when the Modi is used? It never happens when playing the same music and all the same computer apps with your internal soundcard? That seems odd. I had some theories for the cause, but none of them make any sense if it is only happening with the Modi.

If your sound card is better than you thought, and it has a line-out port, then your could simply use it with the Asgard 2 and remove the Modi from the equation.
post #38 of 43
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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

Well, that's a shame about the Beyers, but I agree - trying different 'phones does seem like the right thing to do. FYI, when comparing any gear, always try to match the volume level you hear as closely as possible. If "A" is slightly louder than "B", it is very common for "A" to be thought to sound better.

On the music pauses - this is only happening when the Modi is used? It never happens when playing the same music and all the same computer apps with your internal soundcard? That seems odd. I had some theories for the cause, but none of them make any sense if it is only happening with the Modi.

If your sound card is better than you thought, and it has a line-out port, then your could simply use it with the Asgard 2 and remove the Modi from the equation.

 

I agree, maybe it's the Modi?

 

It was a shot in the dark, but I actually have a buyer for the Modi tomorrow.  $80 back for it; can't complain.  In the meantime I'll continue to use my board.

 

I was thinking about using directly from the PC to the Asgard, but when I look closely, I have a bunch of digital outputs on my computer.  The main one that caught my eye is the SPDIF.

 

I'm assuming I'll be best to get the Bifrost for optimal results, and the fact I don't have to pay $100 more for USB is great.

 

I do also see a bunch of line out ports, but it's to get myself setup with a surround sound system with bass amp as well, no RCA however.

post #39 of 43
If there's a line out port that's for front left and right, it should be appropriate for stereo. You just need a mini to RCA cable.
post #40 of 43
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If there's a line out port that's for front left and right, it should be appropriate for stereo. You just need a mini to RCA cable.

 

I'm assuming you mean Mini as a 3.5 (1/8")?  Mono I would also assume to RCA.

post #41 of 43
Yes, 3.5 mm. I don't know if the jacks are stereo or mono, but either way it's possible to get a cable with RCA on the other end. That way, you can use your amp with the sound card as the DAC.
post #42 of 43
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Yes, 3.5 mm. I don't know if the jacks are stereo or mono, but either way it's possible to get a cable with RCA on the other end. That way, you can use your amp with the sound card as the DAC.

 

Perfect; I'll definitely do that in the meantime.

 

You have been a wonderful help.  I already thumbs up as many times as I could before Head-Fi stopped me for everyone in this thread.  I hope you received some good reputation! :)

 

Have a great day in the meantime!

post #43 of 43
You probably said this earlier in the thread, but what is the brand and model of the soundcard in your PC?
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