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Poll Results: Which one is to your fancy ?

 
  • 13% (26)
    HD6 DJ
  • 10% (21)
    HD7 DJ
  • 60% (119)
    HD8 DJ
  • 15% (31)
    None of them
197 Total Votes  
post #421 of 961

I agree with hekeli. I've never had a headphone that changed enough after the first hour or two to change my opinion of them and I don't think its wise to recommend people give a headphone 100s of hours of burn-in before deciding if they like it. In most cases you'll know in the first day whether you like the signature or not and you shouldn't be expecting that to change. Preferences do change, and "getting used to" a particular headphone or sound signature does happen, but headphones themselves don't change. Don't hold your breath waiting for them to change when you could be enjoying something you actually like.

 

It seems like this has been turned around on hekeli and I don't think it makes a lot of sense. What's all this about he shouldn't expect a new headphone to be good for the studio? He has every right to expect a $280 headphone from Sennheiser that's specifically marketed as a studio headphone to be good for studio use. And he has every right to complain if it isn't. We've been waiting all this time for HD6 impressions and now that we've got some we're going to blow them off if they aren't positive? Bleh.

post #422 of 961
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Originally Posted by Eugguy View Post

Just stop your whining. No one really cares about your pointless rants. Read from the beginning again.

 

Whining and rants? Way to go on with a conversation. I'd hope someone would try to explain civilizedly what I'm missing in your posts. I'm just stating my experiences, but I'm not afraid to say I find it cliche for someone to tell you need hundreds of hours to hear the nature of the phones which can even be seen in the measurements. I certainly know phones can sound different by mood or accustomation, but everytime I go back to comparing to other phones and familiar tracks, whaddayou know, they (HD6) still sound quite muffled.

post #423 of 961

Duhh somehow I though only HD8's have bundled velour pads. I only found out them now in the case as they were hidden. :D Have to try out if they affect the sound in any way.

post #424 of 961
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Originally Posted by hekeli View Post
 

 

Whining and rants? Way to go on with a conversation. I'd hope someone would try to explain civilizedly what I'm missing in your posts. I'm just stating my experiences, but I'm not afraid to say I find it cliche for someone to tell you need hundreds of hours to hear the nature of the phones which can even be seen in the measurements. I certainly know phones can sound different by mood or accustomation, but everytime I go back to comparing to other phones and familiar tracks, whaddayou know, they (HD6) still sound quite muffled.

Please stop derailing the thread. Your experiences seem to be limited and biased. You are looking too hard into something that is so simple. Let's back on topic now. 

post #425 of 961
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Originally Posted by Eugguy View Post

Please stop derailing the thread. Your experiences seem to be limited and biased. You are looking too hard into something that is so simple. Let's back on topic now. 

I think you were the one who derailed this by mentioning the ridiculous 100 hours burn in claim. I'm with hekeli on ths one, not only did he defended his stance on burn in, but he provided subjective and objective views on these new Senns offerings. So the one that probably need to stop is you!. Or, do you also have all three headphones? No? Thought so. Yeah you like the HD8s which might sound TOTALlY different from the Hd6 Mix, so lets just leave it at that. Hopefully more HD6 users will chime in and we will know if the sound signature and characteristics mentioned are common among other users whether they have listened to them for 5 hours or 500... ... ...

Thanks to everyone that has contributed with sound impressions! Let's keep things going! Personally I'd love to try the HD8s! ;-)
post #426 of 961

^ Limited and biased? As opposed to what? Sigh, I guess I know who to better just ignore from now on.

 

I hope I'm not derailing the thread by letting know what I found with velour pads on HD7. Which is that they seem to performing quite identically. Measurements do not show any changes outside margins, except with isolation which seems slightly worse (3-5dB). Pretty nice that they bundled the choice.

 

Did not find any changes when re-measuring stock at 70+ hours vs 1 hours either.

post #427 of 961

lol wow this is a hot mess.  :confused:

 

I THOUGHT I have heard a headphone burn in once. but gelocks may disagree with me cause he has the same headphone and never comments on changes.. It could just be me but in my case I actually liked the headphone a little more later and swear up and down I hear changes on it but it could be brain burn in. I just simply hear no lower midrange murkiness on the yamaha at all and I swore i did when I first got it. Tyll did a thorough test of it here but only with one set of headphones and never revisited the topic again. So there is no proof against it or totally supportive of it that I know.  But I am not fully persuaded either and it could have been brain burn in... i dunno. Never had another hp with that experience before.

 

But in general I liked the yamaha from jump and it only got better. But i doubt if I didnt like it from jump it would change my opinion. 

 

In defense of Eugguy he just said that basically in general that 100 hours burn in may help but that he probably wont like it still. So when he was only trying to help, a comment like hekeli's seemed a bit brash and insensitive even if he was right. 

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/evidence-headphone-break

 

while he has a little evidence here is his summary:

"Summary Did I show break-in exists? No. There are too many variables still. Was it simply movement? I don't know. If I did it again to another brand new pair would I get the same results? I don't know. If I did it to an already broken in pair would I get the same results? I don't know.

What I do know is that during the course of these measurements some things changed. While the data showed only very small differences, the data was clearly above the noise, and a general trend observable. The data also showed a discontinuity around the 20 hour mark in both the FR and THD data. While, it seems to me, much of the change observed could easily be due to movement, especially in the frequencies above 5kHz, some changes seem more likely due to break-in. In particular, the changes in frequency response around the fundamental resonance of the driver at 80Hz, and in %THD+noise at the same frequency and at around 40Hz.

There were also things I have no idea about: the changes in FR and THD at around 1100Hz seems quite confused; the THD wiggle at 180Hz may be a second harmonic mode of the primary driver resonance, but there's little in the FR data to support anything."

 

BASICALLY NOT FOR OR AGAINST IT. 

All I know for me is  the spirit pro is going back to amazon, and hopefully I get my hands on the hd 8 dj for a portable headphone. I will be taking public transportation soon and so I am hopeful for the hd 8 dj and sad that the 6 sucks.

 


Edited by grizzlybeast - 2/24/14 at 12:10am
post #428 of 961
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Originally Posted by hekeli View Post
 

^ Limited and biased? As opposed to what? Sigh, I guess I know who to better just ignore from now on.

 

I hope I'm not derailing the thread by letting know what I found with velour pads on HD7. Which is that they seem to performing quite identically. Measurements do not show any changes outside margins, except with isolation which seems slightly worse (3-5dB). Pretty nice that they bundled the choice.

 

Did not find any changes when re-measuring stock at 70+ hours vs 1 hours either.

 

gelocks and hekeli should get a room together. You two sound like you'd make a great couple. No disagreement there. 

post #429 of 961
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

lol wow this is a hot mess.  :confused:

 

I THOUGHT I have heard a headphone burn in once. but gelocks may disagree with me cause he has the same headphone and never comments on changes.. It could just be me but in my case I actually liked the headphone a little more later and swear up and down I hear changes on it but it could be brain burn in. I just simply hear no lower midrange murkiness on the yamaha at all and I swore i did when I first got it. Tyll did a thorough test of it here but only with one set of headphones and never revisited the topic again. So there is no proof against it or totally supportive of it that I know.  But I am not fully persuaded either and it could have been brain burn in... i dunno. Never had another hp with that experience before.

 

But in general I liked the yamaha from jump and it only got better. But i doubt if I didnt like it from jump it would change my opinion. 

 

In defense of Eugguy he just said that basically in general that 100 hours burn in may help but that he probably wont like it still. So when he was only trying to help, a comment like hekeli's seemed a bit brash and insensitive even if he was right. 

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/evidence-headphone-break

 

while he has a little evidence here is his summary:

"Summary Did I show break-in exists? No. There are too many variables still. Was it simply movement? I don't know. If I did it again to another brand new pair would I get the same results? I don't know. If I did it to an already broken in pair would I get the same results? I don't know.

What I do know is that during the course of these measurements some things changed. While the data showed only very small differences, the data was clearly above the noise, and a general trend observable. The data also showed a discontinuity around the 20 hour mark in both the FR and THD data. While, it seems to me, much of the change observed could easily be due to movement, especially in the frequencies above 5kHz, some changes seem more likely due to break-in. In particular, the changes in frequency response around the fundamental resonance of the driver at 80Hz, and in %THD+noise at the same frequency and at around 40Hz.

There were also things I have no idea about: the changes in FR and THD at around 1100Hz seems quite confused; the THD wiggle at 180Hz may be a second harmonic mode of the primary driver resonance, but there's little in the FR data to support anything."

 

BASICALLY NOT FOR OR AGAINST IT. 

 

but who cares all I know is that my yamaha is staying, the spirit pro is going back to amazon, and hopefully I get my hands on the hd 8 dj for a portable headphone. I will be taking public transportation soon and so I am hopeful for the hd 8 dj and sad that the 6 sucks.

 

^This. Thank you sir. Not "everyone" is sensitive to changes in sound. Not every "headphone" is sensitive to changes, especially in the first few hours of use. HD8 hit the head on the nail as a DJ headphone and more. HD 6 and 7? Not too sure based on the use reviews so far. There have been some great, and some not so great, only based on the forums so far. hekeli's stance on burn-in may feel correct to him, but most people who have been in this game long enough know that changes will and do happen with time. 

post #430 of 961

I wonder how this hd 8 dj fairs against the rave of the m-audio q40 everyone is talking about. 

 

 

I am curious the q40 is a lot cheaper

post #431 of 961
The Q40s are real gems, especially with more comfortable pads, of course this is taking into consideration what if you are a basshead or not. M-audio will release new headphones in March, take a look at the Basshead Club. I actually would expect the HD8 to be better overall than the Q40s of course, especially in the mids to high transition where I feel the Q40s fail quite a bit.
post #432 of 961
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Originally Posted by Eugguy View Post
 

 

gelocks and hekeli should get a room together. You two sound like you'd make a great couple. No disagreement there. 


Now you're acting like an ass.  Stop it and let's just move on. 

post #433 of 961
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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post
 


Now you're acting like an ass.  Stop it and let's just move on. 

+1 two wrongs dont make a right.

post #434 of 961
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Originally Posted by gelocks View Post

The Q40s are real gems, especially with more comfortable pads, of course this is taking into consideration what if you are a basshead or not. M-audio will release new headphones in March, take a look at the Basshead Club. I actually would expect the HD8 to be better overall than the Q40s of course, especially in the mids to high transition where I feel the Q40s fail quite a bit.

thanks G. :bigsmile_face:

 

I do consider myself a basshead because I appreciate really good bass and lots of it. But I like balance too and they dont have to be all in one headphone to me.

 

I did look there and that is where i heard of it. everybody and their momma posted about it and I feel left out. But not so much love here for the hd 8 dj

post #435 of 961

Too long since I had Q40.. lots of bass and rest quite balanced. I think I was shocked at the bass amount with dt770 pads, of course it's always a trade for something like the mids. It's still a cheap phone with lots of cable issues etc. Atleast with HDx you get all sorts of nice stuff like generally clean sound from top to bottom, sturdy build, isolation, pads, cables (and sockets on both sides). I think HD7 is already a keeper for me, if HD8 is even better, great. I have no illusions that it will turn into a one for all phone, but for basshead duty oh yeah.


Edited by hekeli - 2/23/14 at 1:31pm
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