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Poll Results: Which one is to your fancy ?

 
  • 13% (33)
    HD6 DJ
  • 12% (29)
    HD7 DJ
  • 59% (142)
    HD8 DJ
  • 14% (35)
    None of them
239 Total Votes  
post #376 of 1097

My HD8 shipped today, so I'll update next week.

post #377 of 1097
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Originally Posted by hekeli View Post
 

My HD8 shipped today, so I'll update next week.


:DDD 

Now is the question, wait until next week before I order or order instantly, maybe have to wait. If the highs are a bit more forward than HD6/7 (3~5dB in average), I would order it.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 2/20/14 at 7:34am
post #378 of 1097
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Originally Posted by hekeli View Post

My HD8 shipped today, so I'll update next week.


 



Excited to read the comparison!
post #379 of 1097
post #380 of 1097

^ Yes jfunks graphs, the coupler seems to leak a lot of bass vs my real head seal. But if the hd7/hd8 comparison is reliable, hd8 looks a lot bassier which is a bit scary..

post #381 of 1097

Yea I'm aware of that graph posted earlier but I'm curious to see hekeli's measurement which I have easier to "grasp", different ways of presenting the data needs to be read differently and it's difficult to compare one headphone's measurement done in one way compared to another headphone's measurement done by a different person using different algorithms etc. I feel right at home with Hekeli's which is pretty comparable to goldenears & headphone.com's way of presenting the data of measurements (those sites will have some smoothening in the graphs though so the "wobbliness" in the highs may look somewhat bad here due to the raw data). Even if I see that graph of HD8 it doesn't quite help me, seeing Hekeli's measurement in relation to HD6/7 will be a nice feat though. The earlier HD7 measurement and this HD7 measurement also looks so different, the seal is nowhere proper in the earlier measurements if you check the bass response of HD7. On hekeli's it's easier to draw a conclusion that the seal is a lot better in his measurement due to the HD6 & 7 sharing such a similar curve in the bass and mids. Getting such similar curves out of two different products is not happening unless the measurements are extremely accurate.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 2/20/14 at 11:37am
post #382 of 1097
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
 

Wow, thanks a lot for these measurements, too bad you didn't have the HD8!

Looks like the highrange is in average maybe ~5dB lower than ideal or so for the HD6/7, the slightly veiled highs compared to the midrange + bass will probably make these pretty warm/dark sounding. Hopefully that's where the difference is in HD8 which I expect, that the FR curve looks similar but have more highs presence.

But holy crap that 30Hz squarewave, the HD7 looks like it "pounds" like beasts, I'm sure you will agree that the bass "punches"/pounds with lots of force even if it's "only" 10dB, this bass shows it has such character to it which I actually like but yea the highs should be a bit more present compared to what I want, the HD800 in comparison is too much but ~5dB higher than HD7 would be perfect roughly for me, would have loved to see how HD8 is.


It does "pound like beasts".  Too much for my liking. 

post #383 of 1097
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It does "pound like beasts".  Too much for my liking. 


Yea that punchiness is a bit of a personal preference, since you enjoy the Denon headphones for example I know you're not as much of a "punchy bass" enthusiast in comparison to me as the Denons aren't known for punchy bass but linear, deep, pretty "wroooomy" bass which isn't the bass I'm looking for why I'm not as huge fan of the Denon line for example. HD7 is still likely too much for me too but HD8 might be just right as I expect the bass to be somewhere in-between HD6 and 7 in terms of quantity and punchiness.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 2/20/14 at 11:47am
post #384 of 1097

It's quite hard trying to decide which way one would lean to.

 

I mean you could compensate the volumes by playing HD6 louder. Now you suddently have comparable bass and better midrange (vocals are not so muddied etc). HD7 does have a smidgen more sparkle up top and bass snap (that ~150hz boost). At the moment HD6 feels a bit better compromise for me and it's even much cheaper.

 

 

But DAMN they both pack a clean snappy punch. And you can crank them to ear piercing levels without any distortion. I have too much fun going through my techno archives right now..

 

I also ordered Focal Spirit Pros to compare, they should arrive next week also. ;) The specs look great so I'm curious how they compare..


Edited by hekeli - 2/20/14 at 12:50pm
post #385 of 1097

Hi you All,

Got my HD6 last Tuesday and wanted to share some impressions. First let me explain why I went with this particular model, I have been searching for headphones to use at work that would block as much of outside noise as possible and use passive noise cancelling (active just don't sound right to me). So when I saw the description of these three new models I've got exited, it sounded like just what I was looking for! I immediately dismissed HD7 and HD8, nothing I hate more then the exaggerated bass! Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the bass as much as the next person but it has to be tight, articulate and most important in balance with the rest of the frequencies. When I took the HD6 out of the box I was surprised how small and light they were, I put them on and ran to the mirror and Halleluiah! - they look great on your head. They hug the head tightly and look even smaller - contrary to what manufacturers believe we actually do care how we look when we have the full size headphones on. The headphones cover the ears completely and very, very comfortable. OK, how do they sound? I plugged them in into I-Pod just to see if it can drive them (no problem) and Oh No! - way, way too much bass! Plus the sound was really muffled! Well, do not despair I says, from my experience the headphones can change dramatically after they get broken in. So I brought them to work, plugged them in and left them playing overnight. Today when I got to work with trepidation I put them on and my jaw dropped - are these the same headphones?! What a change in sound! Now they sound perfect! Clear, dynamic, detailed and very evenly balanced through the frequency. There is something very satisfying about a neutral balanced sound! And when I say neutral I do not mean boring, just the opposite - a very musical and involving sound. So I say brothers and sisters - go for it! Thank you for reading, best to you all, Lee.         

post #386 of 1097
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Originally Posted by hekeli View Post
 

It's quite hard trying to decide which way one would lean to.

 

I mean you could compensate the volumes by playing HD6 louder. Now you suddently have comparable bass and better midrange (vocals are not so muddied etc). HD7 does have a smidgen more sparkle up top and bass snap (that ~150hz boost).

 

 

But DAMN they pack a clean snappy punch. And you can crank them to ear piercing levels without any distortion. I have too much fun going through my techno archives right now..

 

I also ordered Focal Spirit Pros to compare, they should arrive next week also. ;) The specs look great so I'm curious how they compare..


From my knowledge in this topic, most decide to align around 1kHz as "zero" as the midrange tend to be "fairly accurate" in the measurements. Tyll explained pretty well once that the highs range can create potential inaccuracies in the measurements, at least he garantuee 0 - 2kHz is very accurate in his but that the highs can be a lot more inaccurate, can be accurate but has potential to be inaccurate too, don't remember what his explanation behind this was anymore though.

But in the end it doesn't really matter all that much how you align the graphs, properly aligned graphs only help to easier compare but in the end what matters is how the different frequency ranges compare to each other for the same headphone only. It's difficult to explain what I mean. But if you for example have a headphone A with average of 7dB boost in the range 0 - 200Hz for example and it has only a 3dB average boost in the highs and headphone B with average of 5dB boost in the 0-200Hz range and 2dB boost in the highs, the headphone B could still be brighter sounding due to the bass being less emphasized (of course it depends a lot how the midrange would look like too in this case).

Remember frequency response in headphones works like that the frequencies fight for your attention, the lesser you get of a particular range, the more you get of another range. That's why you can't just compare spot x in various graphs and read, okay, this headphone got 3dB higher elevation here so it has to be louder there. No you have to ofc take into account the whole frequency response's curve/shape of that headphone and compare to the other one so it's a lot trickier to compare graphs of different headphones than some people would think. Only when comparing same drivers with only slight tweaks leading to very similar curves but maybe certain range derivating, then it becomes easier to align and compare as you can align it so it aligns perfectly with "majority" of the graph, that's a pretty safe way to do it and in this case the midrange in particular is very similar in shape so it's safest to align the graphs to that.

However when comparing entirely different headphones and headphone drivers against each other, my idea of proper alignment would be calculating the "average amplitude" of the frequency response and putting that average amplitude as the "zero"-point as we're dealing with average values in FR graphs a lot and compare various of ranges to the average of the rest of the frequency range.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 2/20/14 at 1:28pm
post #387 of 1097
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Yea that punchiness is a bit of a personal preference, since you enjoy the Denon headphones for example I know you're not as much of a "punchy bass" enthusiast in comparison to me as the Denons aren't known for punchy bass but linear, deep, pretty "wroooomy" bass which isn't the bass I'm looking for why I'm not as huge fan of the Denon line for example. HD7 is still likely too much for me too but HD8 might be just right as I expect the bass to be somewhere in-between HD6 and 7 in terms of quantity and punchiness.

 

Actually I love punchy bass - Q40 is one of my faves.  The HD7 just sounded bad in the bass dept.  Hard to describe but it was overpowering and not in a good "I can de-emphasize it via EQ" way. 

post #388 of 1097

@RPGWiZaRD

 

Yeah I get what you mean. It's obvious that HD6 is the more "neutral" one and HD7 has a very nice fun factor. Trying to crank up HD6 would probably be more tiring in the end, since ears are most sensitive in the mids..

 

Veery curious on how HD8 fits there..

post #389 of 1097
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Actually I love punchy bass - Q40 is one of my faves.  The HD7 just sounded bad in the bass dept.  Hard to describe but it was overpowering and not in a good "I can de-emphasize it via EQ" way. 


I maybe understand you, it's probably similar things I experienced with for example Sony XB800/900. I can't either describe it better than you other than the quality of it was bad. It also has very punchy bass (which isn't the thing to blame as Q40 and Pro900 also has punchy bass for example but has great bass quality) but due to the bad quality in bass in particular for the Sonys, I hated them. To a lesser extent I could also speak of V-Moda LP2.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 2/20/14 at 1:37pm
post #390 of 1097

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