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post #136 of 182
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Originally Posted by Gems View Post
 

My biggest problem is that this happens passively whether or not music is playing. It can't possibly be my music files if it's simply a thing that happens when plugging it into the DAC, computer, Gameboy, etc. 

 

Edit: The biggest difference between that is I don't get static with my current set-up passively on many headphones I previously had static on in the past. At the moment, the only IEMs I shortly tested on my set-up that have no set-up are the NuForce NE-700X, some Westone IEM that fits with memory foam tips, and even a lower quality Koss IEM that has a mic. I haven't exactly tried that many IEMs though, but I'm a little sad that I have this static in the first place.

 

 

What sources are you two using? I imagine you both don't have this hiss. At the moment I'm using a Fiio E17, but I'm also very familiar with how different sources can affect that. For example, when I used a Sennheiser HD280, I could hear this same passive background hiss without using anything but when I plugged it into an Audinst HUD-MX-1, the static was not audible at all and the same thing happened with the E-17. I just want to know if I really do upgrade, how much more of an upgrade do I have to make for the static to "disappear"?

I am using a FiiO E11, and when I switched form High to Low gain the hissing was not quite there. I also switched from High to Low, cause I felt the High gain was just too much for them. MHO in that matter.

post #137 of 182
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Originally Posted by TPGsanti View Post
 

I am using a FiiO E11, and when I switched form High to Low gain the hissing was not quite there. I also switched from High to Low, cause I felt the High gain was just too much for them. MHO in that matter.

Thank you for posting this. I totally forgot that the E17 has gain settings. I went from 6dB gain (default) to 0dB and the hiss is a lot more bearable now. It's still there unfortunately since I can hear a difference in passive noise when I plug and unplug it from my E17 but I definitely can manage this.

 


 

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Does the static disappear when you hold your laptop with your hands? If so, then you have a grounding problem. This sounds more like a soft hum though, not exactely like static.

I use a ODAC/Objective2 rig and experience no hiss with the GR07, using JRiver Media Center/WASAPI and 320kbps files. My Sansa Zip/Headstage Arrow portable rig gave me a hiss-free experience as well. It's quite possible that some people are more sensitive to hiss though. It's hard for other people to comment on your hiss problem without hearing it themselves.

Unfortunately holding the laptop even suspended, touching it on the table, or even unplugged doesn't affect the amount of static. I also tested this with a Sansa Clip+ and the static was just about as much as the E17 with 12dB gain. 

 

You're also probably right about the hiss thing though. I'm probably very irritable when it comes to annoyances like the hiss in the first place. I still find it just slightly suspicious that nobody has commented at all about it though since it really was that loud to me. On songs with silent parts or volume build up (such as Duel of Fates from Star Wars) and some piano songs, it was pretty annoying to me until I was reminded about the gain.

post #138 of 182

Hey guys, 

Some updates from my side. So I decided to go ahead and get my own GR07 Classics. Got them from lendmeurears and they arrived in an extremely timely manner (Thank God for Singapore Post's efficient domestic delivery system and lendmeurears promptness). Initially, I had a few qualms about whether they would stand up to the rave reviews that the originals and the mk2 have been getting, especially with the initial controversy about the bio-cellulose drivers. I was especially worried that I'd be getting a sly attempt by VSonic to rebrand the GR07 line. But after the more recent posts and taking into consideration another big factor(the price), I decided to pull the trigger.

 

You could say the GR07 is somewhat of a venture into uncharted waters for me. I used to hearing things on monitor speakers or headphones(at the very least). Its been a while for the latter though, and my budget's been quite tight lately so I've been using some Sony iems I'd bought from a local store. They're of excellent quality though and were still going strong despite a couple of years of less-than-loving use. I'd throw them in my bag together with books and chargers and stuff, accidentally thrown them into the laundry and then into the dryer with my jeans on several occasions and the rubber sealing had eroded away to expose the insides of the iem and they still carried on working without a hitch. Then I lost them. =P Which is why I've been looking into buying another pair.

I researched for quite a bit on other earphones of similar quality to what the GR07s were acclaimed to have (that had claims of being reference level monitors) cause I wanted to use them to do preliminary sketches of compositions and recording etc. on the go with my iPad/MBA. All the other iems that seemed to be worthy or on par with the GR07 Classic were at least $50 more brand new (and that's without shipping included). 


That being said, I decided to go ahead and try...

Lendmeurears has small locker at Plaza Singapura (in Singapore, the same country I happen to stay in) and I decided to go to the shop to ask to try it out. There have been complaints of sibilance especially in the beginning (before the alleged 'burn-in' period). Well whatever it is, this is true. I tried the demo pair(in lovely wine-red) with a few songs straight out of my smartphone(no headphone amp for me) and yes, the sibilance was there. Part of me was going "What the.." at the sibilance in the vocals and the other part of me was noticing how the guitar in the background sounded so much nicer than I had previously heard it to be. 

I've heard the GR07s may initially sound better on instrumental tracks(or classical orchestral ones) than ones with vocals and once again this is true. Each individual section could be heard with much clarity. On another track i could hear the nuances of the guitar. 

 

But overall, the GR07s still sounded a little 'treble -heavy" to me. That being said, part of me was thinking, this is perfect(for my needs,budget etc.).

Been trying it out in different settings, over the past few days. On the bus, in the train, basically anywhere outside and also at home.   I went jogging with it the other day too. I've been a very happy user. =) The "comply" foam tips give the best fit and noise isolation for me so far. 

 

Thats all for now! Will post a more comprehensive review soon!  

Thanks a bunch to you Head-fier's for all the reviews that helped me make my decision! 



 

post #139 of 182
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Originally Posted by Negakinu View Post
 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/evidence-headphone-break

Not sure why you included this; his findings are inconclusive, with indications of some change, and in the extensive listening test described here: http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/testing-audibility-break-effects, he actually writes: "I'm about 90% sure that audible effects from break-in exist." I've never experienced anything dramatic in terms of burn-in, maybe sometimes a degree of smoothing-out, but there have been comparisons between new and well-used pairs of IEMs by users here that supported the hypothesis. 

post #140 of 182
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Originally Posted by Gems View Post
 

Thank you for posting this. I totally forgot that the E17 has gain settings. I went from 6dB gain (default) to 0dB and the hiss is a lot more bearable now. It's still there unfortunately since I can hear a difference in passive noise when I plug and unplug it from my E17 but I definitely can manage this.

No problem, just thought it may help out.

 

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Originally Posted by Reaox View Post
 

Hey guys, 

Some updates from my side. So I decided to go ahead and get my own GR07 Classics. Got them from lendmeurears and they arrived in an extremely timely manner (Thank God for Singapore Post's efficient domestic delivery system and lendmeurears promptness). Initially, I had a few qualms about whether they would stand up to the rave reviews that the originals and the mk2 have been getting, especially with the initial controversy about the bio-cellulose drivers. I was especially worried that I'd be getting a sly attempt by VSonic to rebrand the GR07 line. But after the more recent posts and taking into consideration another big factor(the price), I decided to pull the trigger.

 

You could say the GR07 is somewhat of a venture into uncharted waters for me. I used to hearing things on monitor speakers or headphones(at the very least). Its been a while for the latter though, and my budget's been quite tight lately so I've been using some Sony iems I'd bought from a local store. They're of excellent quality though and were still going strong despite a couple of years of less-than-loving use. I'd throw them in my bag together with books and chargers and stuff, accidentally thrown them into the laundry and then into the dryer with my jeans on several occasions and the rubber sealing had eroded away to expose the insides of the iem and they still carried on working without a hitch. Then I lost them. =P Which is why I've been looking into buying another pair.

I researched for quite a bit on other earphones of similar quality to what the GR07s were acclaimed to have (that had claims of being reference level monitors) cause I wanted to use them to do preliminary sketches of compositions and recording etc. on the go with my iPad/MBA. All the other iems that seemed to be worthy or on par with the GR07 Classic were at least $50 more brand new (and that's without shipping included). 


That being said, I decided to go ahead and try...

Lendmeurears has small locker at Plaza Singapura (in Singapore, the same country I happen to stay in) and I decided to go to the shop to ask to try it out. There have been complaints of sibilance especially in the beginning (before the alleged 'burn-in' period). Well whatever it is, this is true. I tried the demo pair(in lovely wine-red) with a few songs straight out of my smartphone(no headphone amp for me) and yes, the sibilance was there. Part of me was going "What the.." at the sibilance in the vocals and the other part of me was noticing how the guitar in the background sounded so much nicer than I had previously heard it to be. 

I've heard the GR07s may initially sound better on instrumental tracks(or classical orchestral ones) than ones with vocals and once again this is true. Each individual section could be heard with much clarity. On another track i could hear the nuances of the guitar. 

 

But overall, the GR07s still sounded a little 'treble -heavy" to me. That being said, part of me was thinking, this is perfect(for my needs,budget etc.).

Been trying it out in different settings, over the past few days. On the bus, in the train, basically anywhere outside and also at home.   I went jogging with it the other day too. I've been a very happy user. =) The "comply" foam tips give the best fit and noise isolation for me so far. 

 

Thats all for now! Will post a more comprehensive review soon!  

Thanks a bunch to you Head-fier's for all the reviews that helped me make my decision! 



 

During my first few hours the highs where on the sharp side, but as time has passed I felt they have smoothed out quite nicely.  I have been using them non stop since Sunday. I will give my full thoughts on them after a week of use or so too.

post #141 of 182
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gems View Post
 

My biggest problem is that this happens passively whether or not music is playing. It can't possibly be my music files if it's simply a thing that happens when plugging it into the DAC, computer, Gameboy, etc. 

 

Edit: The biggest difference between that is I don't get static with my current set-up passively on many headphones I previously had static on in the past. At the moment, the only IEMs I shortly tested on my set-up that have no set-up are the NuForce NE-700X, some Westone IEM that fits with memory foam tips, and even a lower quality Koss IEM that has a mic. I haven't exactly tried that many IEMs though, but I'm a little sad that I have this static in the first place.

 

 

What sources are you two using? I imagine you both don't have this hiss. At the moment I'm using a Fiio E17, but I'm also very familiar with how different sources can affect that. For example, when I used a Sennheiser HD280, I could hear this same passive background hiss without using anything but when I plugged it into an Audinst HUD-MX-1, the static was not audible at all and the same thing happened with the E-17. I just want to know if I really do upgrade, how much more of an upgrade do I have to make for the static to "disappear"?

@ work i use a Dell PC, and there i hear a background hiss/static.

 

 

But no hiss on iPod Nano, Nexus 4 or iMac.

post #142 of 182

After more than 100 hours of use, although the treble tamed down a bit it's still a bit unbearable for me. May i know what tips are you guys using at the moment? Will using foam tips tame down the treble? currently I'm using sony hybrids on it 

post #143 of 182
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Originally Posted by John6 View Post

After more than 100 hours of use, although the treble tamed down a bit it's still a bit unbearable for me. May i know what tips are you guys using at the moment? Will using foam tips tame down the treble? currently I'm using sony hybrids on it 

What kind of music are you listening to? I've found it to be in the genre of music at first, but I'm at about the 100 hour mark with out the harshness. It is still slightly sharp, but in a good and bearable way for me. It could be your listening preference as well. I like the mids and highs over heavy bass, but that's just my preference.
post #144 of 182
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Originally Posted by TPGsanti View Post


What kind of music are you listening to? I've found it to be in the genre of music at first, but I'm at about the 100 hour mark with out the harshness. It is still slightly sharp, but in a good and bearable way for me. It could be your listening preference as well. I like the mids and highs over heavy bass, but that's just my preference.

I listen to mostly old rock and metal, I find the treble tend to be a bit harsh on old recordings like bon jovi-livin on a prayer, but overall other songs sounds perfect and I really enjoy the sound signature on these, will try the complys and see how it sounds :)

post #145 of 182
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Originally Posted by John6 View Post

I listen to mostly old rock and metal, I find the treble tend to be a bit harsh on old recordings like bon jovi-livin on a prayer, but overall other songs sounds perfect and I really enjoy the sound signature on these, will try the complys and see how it sounds smily_headphones1.gif

I have you tried, if possible, to tweak your EQ settings? Maybe decreasing the treble output can help.
post #146 of 182

VSonic GR07
Review, and Personal Thoughts

 

Initial First Thoughts Prior to Use:

Those look painful to wear.

 

Initial First Impressions of Use:

I had Shure E2Cs back in the day, and what I can remember they don’t even compete.  With my current Bose IE2s it has made me regret that I have even bought them in the first place.

 

Contents: 

My box, as we all know, came with the MKII sticker. If my understanding is right these are a build off the MKII, and the GR07 Classics are also supposedly to replace the MKIIs also.  I may have misunderstood from what I have read around here though.  The box did come with 3 Sony Hybrid style tips (XS, S, M: I verified these at the Yodobashi denki store with the actual hybrid tips), a double flange set, and a pair of grey Comply style M sized tip.  Last two things included were the ear rubber wraps, and the User’s Mamual.  Yeah I know its manual, but mamual gave it a nice lovable humor to it that it sticks now.

 

The card itself stats this about the IEMs:

  • Driver Unit: 11mm High Dynamic CCAW Drive Units
  • Diaphragms: Bio-cellulose Diaphragms
  • Rated Impedance: 50 Ohms +/- 10% (Rated Impedance)
  • Sensitivity: ‚Č•105db (@500Hz)
  • Frequency Response: 7Hz - 30kHz
  • Distortion: ‚ȧ0.2% 105db (20 ¬Ķ pa)
  • Channel Balance: ‚ȧ1db (@500Hz) ‚ȧ1.5db (@20Hz - 12.5Hz)
  • Rated Power: 10mW
  • Maximum Input Power: 50mW
  • Plug: 3.5mm 8¬Ķ 24k Gold Plated Dual-Channel Plug
  • Cable: 1.30m TPU Cable Maximum 82 core 99.9999 Single Shielded Copper Wire ¬Ī3%

 

Design/Build Quality: 

When I opened up the package I was like these IEMs look quite nice.  I ordered the blue GR07 classics (GR07C).  I was hesitant with ordering them in that color, and that is all they had at the time.  I didn’t feel like taking the chance in waiting for the the wine or silver with 14 hour flights coming up.  The color  blue is actually a lot nicer in person than what the photos make it out to be, and very complimenting.  I am quite pleased with color choice. I will be honest that I would much have rather of had them in black, and/or the Wine Red.  Sadly black is not in option for the GR07C.

 

Now as for the build quality of the GR07C I can not compare them to its predecessors.  What I can say it is very solid.  Just by looking at it alone you can see that the build is of high quality.  As well they appear to have gone through many quality assurance checks.

 

When looking at as many pictures as possible of the GR07s, MKII, & Bass Editions to compare with I have noticed that some of the pictures have shown some glue residue (I cannot say if this is from original manufacture or not, but it is all I have to base on).  My current pair, and only pair ever of VSonic’s in general, I did not see or found any sort build flaws.  This is quite assuring of the quality the brand puts into their products.

 

The housing design was of my most concern in choosing GR07C.  I will not lie and say at first look I thought they seemed comfortable, cause they sure do not.  The square design, and the initial positioning of the GR07C just looks painful.  Again I was proven wrong by VSonic.  Which is good cause comfort level is where I make the true decision if you stay in, or else be placed in the box again.

 

The first two days of wear (note: I wear headphones of all types for about an average of 10 hours a day.) gave slight sourness to the in lower back of the ear.  How the housing rests on the inside one of the corners laid in that position, causing a slight sourness.  This sourness was only felt upon removal or placement.  I never once got the urge to have to remove due to tiredness, or sourness.

 

The design is the only thing I got an issue with.  Since I did not any extreme discomfort, lasting sourness, or urge to remove I feel I have been muted.  I still think the design could be more ear friendly, but I will let it go this time.  On a good note these things are good to fall sleep with.

 

Sound Quality:

Setup: iPhone 4S>FiiO E11>GR07C

 

Hour 1: 

I was amazed by how clear the sounds was all around.  The lows were deep, full, and natural.  Best of all they did not overtake on the Mids or Highs.  The highs were clear with a slight sharpness to them. I found this only to be the case with certain genres of music (i.e.. Electronica, some Rock, and/or Experimental).  Mids were clear, smooth, and warm in delivering.

 

Hour 10: 

Sharpness in Highs have slightly dissipated.

 

I cannot say if this is due to burn-in, or not.  I do know for a fact that burn-in exists, but improving sound quality?  I find this to be a very debatable subject.  Even if proof warrants it.

 

Approximate of 100 Hours (¬Ī3 hours) of Use:¬†

As time went by I can say I did notice increase in clarity, and sound quality.  I am not talking major, but definitely noticeable.  I will say this is for sure the sharpness in the highs did clear out for me, and as time went by I noticed new sounds in the music I was listening to.  Since I listen to a lot of indie music I have been able to tell if the recording quality of the music even more so.  Again I will not say this is due to burn-in.

 

Comparison: 

When I compared this to my Bose IE2, which I instantly retired upon seconds of listening, I can safely say I have gone to audio heaven.  The Sound clarity and quality surpassed the Bose IE2s in every aspect, and now I really would like to compare them the Shure SE215s.  Would love to compare the GR07C with its previous models, but lets not get to crazy.

 

Final Thoughts: 

Simply one of the best suggestions I have ever followed.  As well one of the brands I will recommend from time to come.

I did not touch base on isolation for this reason: isolation varies between user, insert tips, and surroundings. In my honest opinion Comply’s give the best isolation, but that is just my opinion. Everyone has their own preference to how they want to isolate, and I feel that should be upon the user to decide how they feel about the isolation.  Not the reviewer.

 

Were do I go from here: 

iPhone 4s>JDS Labs oDAC>FiiO E11>GR07C maybe.

 

post #147 of 182

I'm not exactly sure of the correct term for this, but on your GR07 classics are any of the nozzles/bud housings (it's the one with the ball joint where the earbud gets attached) extremely rigid? I didn't really notice it at first, but the left nozzle/housing is extremely rigid compared to the right nozzle/housing. It doesn't take too much effort at all to move the right nozzle by hand or even while it is in my ear and this one seems to be ideally pliable and rigid, but for the left nozzle it is about 10x harder to move and if I try to shift the nozzle while it's in my ear, it feels like an extremely bad idea due to how hard I need to press the left system.

 

Does anyone else experience this problem and does anyone have suggestions on how to make the left nozzle not as rigid to move and is it even possible to safely independently fix? 

post #148 of 182

There you boys, I don't think it gets much better than this for clarification  regarding the drivers used in GR07 Classic. 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/552132/vsonic-gr07-impressions-appreciation-thread/6165#post_10390215

What's the excuse now? ;) 

post #149 of 182
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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post
 

There you boys, I don't think it gets much better than this for clarification  regarding the drivers used in GR07 Classic. 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/552132/vsonic-gr07-impressions-appreciation-thread/6165#post_10390215

What's the excuse now? ;) 

That ends that.

post #150 of 182

So it's just a repackaged version of the Mk 1. 

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