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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post


The comment on Noble N6 being not top quality in the bass kinda scared me away.

What do you mean by not top quality? Are you talking quantity? Because the quality of the bass is outstanding.
post #77 of 132
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What do you mean by not top quality? Are you talking quantity? Because the quality of the bass is outstanding.
Did you read the review at the beginning of this thread. You might disagree, but I am basing this comment on what Eke said...I never head the N6.

"That said, the N6's bass presentation is a bit of a let down compared to the awe-inspiring mids and treble. I mentioned earlier that the mid-bass is the most present frequency. To put it in perspective, it has almost as much mid-bass as the Sennheiser IE800 has sub-bass. This can be somewhat exacerbated by the slightly intimate sound stage. For the quantity, it's reasonably tight. Still, it lacks the top tier control and texture that an iem in its range should have."
post #78 of 132
Ah Icic yeah i read it when he put it up but not since. I have less experience with universal IEMs over 500$ so he is probably right.
post #79 of 132
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Ah Icic yeah i read it when he put it up but not since. I have less experience with universal IEMs over 500$ so he is probably right.
There is no right or wrong, if you think it is great then it might be. Others think so too.
post #80 of 132

To my ears, the bass quality is excellent on the N6 and definitely less overall than the senn ie800.

post #81 of 132
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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post
 

To my ears, the bass quality is excellent on the N6 and definitely less overall than the senn ie800.

 

I'm curious how it's "definitely less overall" when they have completely different emphases on bass? The IE800's bass stays completely out of the way of the mids, emphasizing on purely the sub-bass. The N6's bass mixes with the lower midrange somewhat. Quantity and impact-wise, they are very similar, just in different areas. The N6 has more slam, the IE800 has more rumble.

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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

 

I'm curious how it's "definitely less overall" when they have completely different emphases on bass? The IE800's bass stays completely out of the way of the mids, emphasizing on purely the sub-bass. The N6's bass mixes with the lower midrange somewhat. Quantity and impact-wise, they are very similar, just in different areas. The N6 has more slam, the IE800 has more rumble.

Hi eke, great talking to you as always.

 

Let me help: When I and my friend directly compared the Noble N6 and Sennheiser IE800, we found the emphasis to be as you say, with the IE800 shifting toward the sub-bass, while we did not hear the N6's bass getting in the way of the mids.

 

Having different bass emphasis, however, does not mean they are therefore equal. We heard the IE800 having more bass than the N6. Overall quantity was clearly different, to our ears.

 

"If only the N6 had the same amount of bass that the IE800 has..." my audiophile but bass-loving friend said. She really likes her bass. I like bass as well and I enjoyed the differing bass presentation of both earphones but ended up returning my IE800 after having heard the N6 due to the treble superiority of the N6.

post #83 of 132
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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post
 

Hi eke, great talking to you as always.

 

Let me help: When I and my friend directly compared the Noble N6 and Sennheiser IE800, we found the emphasis to be as you say, with the IE800 shifting toward the sub-bass, while we did not hear the N6's bass getting in the way of the mids.

 

Having different bass emphasis, however, does not mean they are therefore equal. We heard the IE800 having more bass than the N6. Overall quantity was clearly different, to our ears.

 

"If only the N6 had the same amount of bass that the IE800 has..." my audiophile but bass-loving friend said. She really likes her bass. I like bass as well and I enjoyed the differing bass presentation of both earphones but ended up returning my IE800 after having heard the N6 due to the treble superiority of the N6.

 

Likewise.

 

Note that I did not say that the N6's bass gets in the way, rather that it mixes with the midrange, giving it heft and warmth.

 

Is it at all possible that she meant that she wished the N6 rumbled like the IE800? I certainly wish it did. Quantity-wise, I find the N6's mid-bass to be somewhat equal to the ASG-2's, and rolls off about 10hz before the ASG-2 does. The IE800 is flat between 300 and 1kHz, with a slight boost starting at 200 that increases to about +8db at 15Hz. The N6 has quit putting out bass long before that. Again, I hear about the same +8db increase in bass for the N6 around the upper bass/mid-bass. I can't concretely say that though unless I send in My N6 to get graphed.

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Me and my seven audiophile but bass-loving dwarfs friends would love to join the discussion... but sadly we haven't heard the N6. :o 

 

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Edit: what I meant to say is how about you both just accept you hear them differently and move on? ;)

Edited by james444 - 1/18/14 at 2:24pm
post #85 of 132
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post


What exactly do you think reference is that it seems impossible as a universal?

I was refering to the standard set by Dr Sean Olive

 

http://seanolive.blogspot.com.au/

post #86 of 132
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Me and my seven audiophile but bass-loving dwarfs friends would love to join the discussion... but sadly we haven't heard the N6. :o 

 

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Edit: what I meant to say is how about you both just accept you hear them differently and move on? ;)

 

 

In terms of hearing things differently, I'm going to refer to this post from the primary Noble thread to offer what may be another piece of the puzzle:

 

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hmm out of my Corda PCStep, without EQ, there is a ton of bass but at home out of my DX50 > O2, it seemed bass light. hmm.

 

I don't know how many sources either eke2k6 or Kunlun have heard the Noble 6 out of, but is it possible that it could be unusually sensitive to changes in one's setup/chain?

post #87 of 132
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

Me and my seven audiophile but bass-loving dwarfs friends would love to join the discussion... but sadly we haven't heard the N6. :o 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Edit: what I meant to say is how about you both just accept you hear them differently and move on? ;)

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Ooooorrr we could keep bickering. It's more fun :)

 

I'm not really trying to convince anyone either way, but I'm just slightly anal when it comes to vague terms like "more overall bass". If I don't think someone is painting a clear enough picture, I try to fill it in as best I can.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by drm870 View Post
 

 

 

I don't know how many sources either eke2k6 or Kunlun have heard the Noble 6 out of, but is it possible that it could be unusually sensitive to changes in one's setup/chain?

 

 

 

That may be a possibility, but I have 4 different audio players here, and the N6 sounds consistent to me through all of them.

post #88 of 132
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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

I was refering to the standard set by Dr Sean Olive

http://seanolive.blogspot.com.au/

So good so far. Now why do you feel a custom could accurately hit this target but a universal couldn't?

Especially given the very limited set of customs that have been measured in the wild.

Just curious.
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So good so far. Now why do you feel a custom could accurately hit this target but a universal couldn't?

Especially given the very limited set of customs that have been measured in the wild.

Just curious.

I dont feel that at all. The reason why I believe IEM designers like to work with custom than universal is that because it is much easier to have a more secure fit with custom than universal. Some of those custom might be just too heavy for coventional shallow fits. 

 

I have a hell of a time with IE800, it just does not stay in my ear canal at all and it is light with no considerably heavier balance aramature driver. 

 

The most comfortable IEM that I ever tried was and still is the EX-1000. F111 and ATH-IM04 are not too bad but nowhere as comfy as EX-1000. 

 

On the other hand the current Noble CIEM look solid and very well built. Just on looks they win over ATH-IM04 which has a plastic finish with larger visible plastic joint. 

post #90 of 132
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

Me and my seven audiophile but bass-loving dwarfs friends would love to join the discussion... but sadly we haven't heard the N6. :o 

 

James, are you saying you are like Snow White or that women are rarer than mythological creatures for you? Either way: :p

 

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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post
 

I was refering to the standard set by Dr Sean Olive

 

http://seanolive.blogspot.com.au/

Hmm, I'll second vwinter's question and add that this standard is for over-the-ear headphones, not earphones. Same with diffuse field and FF measures. Audio engineers now know that the ear canal has its own resonances and these need to be compensated for by canalphones in a way that over-the-ear headphones may not need as much. So, a canalphone that precisely matched the Olive curve (impossible, you may say), may not sound very nice at all!

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