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post #646 of 1522
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Originally Posted by roflcopter159 View Post
 

So, I'm thinking of getting myself a Schiit Asgard 2 to go with my T1 and the 400i. Anyone have thoughts or opinions on that? Eventually I would replace the T1 with a Bifrost (once funding becomes more available)

 

I also have an Aune T1, and was wondering whether this is good enough to drive the 400i once I buy them. And if I were to upgrade, the problem is that I think the T1 is pretty good (especially with an upgraded tube), and I'm not sure how much I would have to spend on a DAC and amp to actually get a sound that noticeably better than what I have. Anybody have any suggestions? Preferably, I'd like a DAC/headphone amp combo because I would like to not have two different pieces of equipment occupying my desk.

post #647 of 1522
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Originally Posted by chowmein83 View Post
 

 

I also have an Aune T1, and was wondering whether this is good enough to drive the 400i once I buy them. And if I were to upgrade, the problem is that I think the T1 is pretty good (especially with an upgraded tube), and I'm not sure how much I would have to spend on a DAC and amp to actually get a sound that noticeably better than what I have. Anybody have any suggestions? Preferably, I'd like a DAC/headphone amp combo because I would like to not have two different pieces of equipment occupying my desk.

 

The bolded reason is why people tend to prefer stacks (things that stack on top of each other nicely; like a Schiit stack :p).  However, I feel that the T1 should be able to drive the 400i fine.  They aren't supposed to be demanding headphones in the first place as they can be driven out of a mobile device directly. 

post #648 of 1522

I wonder how many people have pre-ordered the HE-400i so far. I feel like I should do that soon, to ensure I'm among the first wave of receivers. :D

post #649 of 1522
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Originally Posted by jexby View Post
 

 

Yes, the synergy is key but no way to know unless both are in hand....

 

from the micro iDSD thread (and nano iDSD reviews), it's obvious that iFi puts a ton of engineering and features inside,

but focuses on a very "organic and realistic" sound from the Burr Brown DACs.   the HE-560 due to it's wonderful detail, micro-dynamics and soundstage wouldn't require a "super analytical" or overly detailed DAC/Amp to "boost" any of those characteristics.

so if iFi can (improve and) deliver on detailed, realistic, natural sonics beyond their nano iDSD- I'm expecting the synergy (and power) to match up well with HE-560.

 

Note:  am not stating the iFi micro or nano iDSD darker, muted, not-detailed.  far be it.  the realistic drums out of the nano iDSD surpassed the GeekOut in an earlier comparison of mine.

 

if the 400i is a bit "darker" or more laid back I don't think the iFi would do any injustice to it either.

except you might not flip on the iFi Xbass feature with the 400i as frequently.  

;)

 

Ha, well do you think the Micro iDSD's DAC will outperform your Concero HD?

post #650 of 1522
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Originally Posted by LaPierre View Post
 

I wonder how many people have pre-ordered the HE-400i so far. I feel like I should do that soon, to ensure I'm among the first wave of receivers. :D

 

I'd advise against it. Although HifiMAN has made many revisions to the HE-560 and thus the HE-400i- they could easily revise it within a year or two if they believe they need to or if people have found problems with the production version of the HE-400i.

post #651 of 1522

You're advising waiting a year, instead? I'd love to, but I already sold my two full-sized headphones, I'm not waiting a whole year for with just in-ears. Also, be that as it may, it's not like they'd release the 400i if they weren't at least satisfied with how it sounds first. If they find a way to make it better later, good for future owners (y).

post #652 of 1522
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Originally Posted by Garraty View Post
 

 

I'd advise against it. Although HifiMAN has made many revisions to the HE-560 and thus the HE-400i- they could easily revise it within a year or two if they believe they need to or if people have found problems with the production version of the HE-400i.

 

All the revisions that HiFiMan made on the 560 aren't applicable to the 400i...  Except the pads...  And the pads are finalized. 

post #653 of 1522

560 has only gone through one revision, and it was because of the wooden cups.  HE-400i has no wooden cups.

post #654 of 1522
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Originally Posted by Garraty View Post
 

 

Ha, well do you think the Micro iDSD's DAC will outperform your Concero HD?

 

yah, that's going to be a tough task isn't it?  guess I could connect each DAC to my Vali (only stand alone amp at the moment) and give them a good compare.

post #655 of 1522
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Originally Posted by jexby View Post

Yes, the synergy is key but no way to know unless both are in hand....

from the micro iDSD thread (and nano iDSD reviews), it's obvious that iFi puts a ton of engineering and features inside,
but focuses on a very "organic and realistic" sound from the Burr Brown DACs.   the HE-560 due to it's wonderful detail, micro-dynamics and soundstage wouldn't require a "super analytical" or overly detailed DAC/Amp to "boost" any of those characteristics.
so if iFi can (improve and) deliver on detailed, realistic, natural sonics beyond their nano iDSD- I'm expecting the synergy (and power) to match up well with HE-560.


Note:  am not stating the iFi micro or nano iDSD darker, muted, not-detailed.  far be it.  the realistic drums out of the nano iDSD surpassed the GeekOut in an earlier comparison of mine.

if the 400i is a bit "darker" or more laid back I don't think the iFi would do any injustice to it either.
except you might not flip on the iFi Xbass feature with the 400i as frequently.  
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I'm almost sure of getting this pairing… I just need funds for the HE-560!!! When you get both, please do post a detailed impression on the pairing!!
post #656 of 1522
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post
 

 

The bolded reason is why people tend to prefer stacks (things that stack on top of each other nicely; like a Schiit stack :p).  However, I feel that the T1 should be able to drive the 400i fine.  They aren't supposed to be demanding headphones in the first place as they can be driven out of a mobile device directly. 

 

Thanks for the response. You bring up a good point about stacks, but I would like everything to be in one nice and elegant package (which shouldn't be lesser in sound quality unless I'm missing some engineering thing here).

post #657 of 1522
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Originally Posted by chowmein83 View Post
 

 

Thanks for the response. You bring up a good point about stacks, but I would like everything to be in one nice and elegant package (which shouldn't be lesser in sound quality unless I'm missing some engineering thing here).

 

I think it's more of the classic way things were done...  Back then these two parts were left separated.  Nowadays, you can find them combined.  It's becoming more and more commonground to find that too. 

post #658 of 1522
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Originally Posted by chowmein83 View Post
 

 

Thanks for the response. You bring up a good point about stacks, but I would like everything to be in one nice and elegant package (which shouldn't be lesser in sound quality unless I'm missing some engineering thing here).

Well, I agree a single package would be nice; but at the same time a stack gives you the option to buy both the best amp and the best DAC for their respective price. Also, schiit stacks seem to look pretty nice, at least Magni/Vali + Modi has a very small footprint. O2 and Odac is a nice looking combo, too. 

post #659 of 1522
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Originally Posted by LaPierre View Post
 

Well, I agree a single package would be nice; but at the same time a stack gives you the option to buy both the best amp and the best DAC for their respective price. Also, schiit stacks seem to look pretty nice, at least Magni/Vali + Modi has a very small footprint. O2 and Odac is a nice looking combo, too. 


I've actually been thinking about those (especially the O2 and ODAC combo) - but the reason I hesitate is because I'm not sure how much better they would sound compared to my Aune T1. I mean, the O2 amp section is probably better than the amp on my T1, but is the ODAC really that much better than the Aune T1's DAC? If I'm going to upgrade, I'd rather spend a bit more to get something that's a good deal better than what I have.

 

The reason I focus on the DAC is because of my own experiences. Before I got the T1, I used to mainly use the FiiO E17. When I listened to both the E17's DAC and the T1's DAC using the E17's headphone amp, there was no comparison - the T1's DAC was clearly better in pretty much every aspect. Hence why I'm so fixated on getting a good DAC.

post #660 of 1522
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Originally Posted by chowmein83 View Post
 


I've actually been thinking about those (especially the O2 and ODAC combo) - but the reason I hesitate is because I'm not sure how much better they would sound compared to my Aune T1. I mean, the O2 amp section is probably better than the amp on my T1, but is the ODAC really that much better than the Aune T1's DAC? If I'm going to upgrade, I'd rather spend a bit more to get something that's a good deal better than what I have.

 

The reason I focus on the DAC is because of my own experiences. Before I got the T1, I used to mainly use the FiiO E17. When I listened to both the E17's DAC and the T1's DAC using the E17's headphone amp, there was no comparison - the T1's DAC was clearly better in pretty much every aspect. Hence why I'm so fixated on getting a good DAC.

I don't know what the T1 cost, but usually audio products in the 100 - 200$ (and up to 300$) have the most significant improvements over wherever people come from with soundquality, you start spending a lot more as you get further up there. I wouldn't spend money on something that cost 2x as much, if you want significant improvement you should wait and save up for awhile and spend money on something you know will be a significant jump, otherwise you'll be dissappointed. Or maybe that's just me, that's my best advice. If the T1's DAC is about as good as Modi, you should be fine. (until you managed to save up for something really good, I mean)

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