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post #526 of 10280
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Originally Posted by Ron12 View Post
 

 

Unfortunately not... Sibilance (and treble in general) problems with HE-400 are very well-known. I personally found their bass too dominant but I can understand many will find it just about perfect. Still, there is no way you could call the bass of HE-400 weak or hidden. Well, you could... But I have never seen anyone calling HE-400 bass shy honestly.


I am not sure you really disagree with me. The sibilance / treble characteristics are not what I really call "problems". I've heard many, many speakers, and they've been far more out of balance than anything I've heard out of the HE-400s.

 

As for bass, I myself preferred a 3 db boost @ 50 hz. Needed the extra weight. Lol. The HE-400s are not neutral, but they are much more neutral than 90% of the other stuff I've heard.

post #527 of 10280
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Originally Posted by SoAmusing777 View Post
 

Just wanted to personally thank you (out of rep for now) for the HE-400i impressions. For some reason I switched from wanting that to the 560. A look back at the 400i has me sure of which one I want now. Hopefully can manage to snap them for $100 off MSRP. How's the soundstage/imaging compared to the likes of AKG 712pro/Annie or HD800? If you already did this comparison (or someone else) my apologies. I have forgotten. I've read a ton.


 It's been a while since I heard the 400i back at the THE Show several months back (see my post lots of pages back for detailed impressions), but having heard the Q701's for a while (and I believe their soundstaging/imaging is at least relatively similar to the K712 Pro/Annie) I think the 400i's soundstage is smaller - but not by much. There's definitely a noticeable amount of more width to the soundstage of the AKG's compared to the 400i, but I remember the 400i having more depth. I would classify the soundstage on the AKG's as being more oval-shaped, and the HE-400i more like a circle (though not entirely circular - I still think the 400i's soundstage has more width than depth).

 

As for imaging, I believe the 400i is more precise. While it's easy to tell in the Q701 whether something is supposed to be coming from the right or the left, to me the AKG headphone didn't do an excellent job of placing things more precisely - like making it easy to tell whether something is coming from slightly left/right of center, etc. I believe the 400i in this respect did much better - if something was supposed to be placed right between, say, the extreme right and the center, you could clearly hear that on the HiFiMan.

 

Haven't heard the HD800's for a good amount of time, so can't help you there.

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 It's been a while since I heard the 400i back at the THE Show several months back (see my post lots of pages back for detailed impressions), but having heard the Q701's for a while (and I believe their soundstaging/imaging is at least relatively similar to the K712 Pro/Annie) I think the 400i's soundstage is smaller - but not by much. There's definitely a noticeable amount of more width to the soundstage of the AKG's compared to the 400i, but I remember the 400i having more depth. I would classify the soundstage on the AKG's as being more oval-shaped, and the HE-400i more like a circle (though not entirely circular - I still think the 400i's soundstage has more width than depth).

 

As for imaging, I believe the 400i is more precise. While it's easy to tell in the Q701 whether something is supposed to be coming from the right or the left, to me the AKG headphone didn't do an excellent job of placing things more precisely - like making it easy to tell whether something is coming from slightly left/right of center, etc. I believe the 400i in this respect did much better - if something was supposed to be placed right between, say, the extreme right and the center, you could clearly hear that on the HiFiMan.

 

Haven't heard the HD800's for a good amount of time, so can't help you there.


I read that post, wonderful way to start off btw. Yes, the soundstaging/imaging is quite similar/equal.

Hmm, so the 400i has more depth, but it's width is bigger than it's depth. So I.E. AKG Depth is 4 while width (wow, first time I ever thought the spelling of width looks wrong) is 8 then HFM Depth is 5.5 while width is 7? Something like that? The way you phrased it kinda makes it sound like since the 400i is deeper and it's width is more than it depth, then it's width is also more than the AKG as well (which I know is not the case but kinda sounds like it). Lol. My brain hurts.

Wow, big ups to the 400i then. Certainly more than capable for gaming.

EDIT: Have you heard the 560 yet?
 


Edited by SoAmusing777 - 7/6/14 at 6:11pm
post #529 of 10280
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I read that post, wonderful way to start off btw. Yes, the soundstaging/imaging is quite similar/equal.

Hmm, so the 400i has more depth, but it's width is bigger than it's depth. So I.E. AKG Depth is 4 while width (wow, first time I ever thought the spelling of width looks wrong) is 8 then HFM Depth is 5.5 while width is 7? Something like that? The way you phrased it kinda makes it sound like since the 400i is deeper and it's width is more than it depth, then it's width is also more than the AKG as well (which I know is not the case but kinda sounds like it). Lol. My brain hurts.

Wow, big ups to the 400i then. Certainly more than capable for gaming.

EDIT: Have you heard the 560 yet?
 


Yeah, that's about how I would judge the two headphones in comparison to each other. Sorry for the confusing response, lol.

 

Yes, I've also heard the 560 (at the same show). The 560's soundstage is definitely bigger in both width and depth compared to the 400i. But from what I remember, you gain a lot more in depth than in width in the 560 compared to the 400i. As for imaging performance, I think that the 560 had slightly more precise placement of different sounds, but honestly the 400i wasn't that much worse here.

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Yeah, that's about how I would judge the two headphones in comparison to each other. Sorry for the confusing response, lol.

 

Yes, I've also heard the 560 (at the same show). The 560's soundstage is definitely bigger in both width and depth compared to the 400i. But from what I remember, you gain a lot more in depth than in width in the 560 compared to the 400i. As for imaging performance, I think that the 560 had slightly more precise placement of different sounds, but honestly the 400i wasn't that much worse here.


NO worries.

Wait, duh, ofc you heard the 560. Sorry for the dumb question. Hmm, interesting. I was thinking the 400i was the better buy up until this point, but with this, kinda tips the scale.

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NO worries.

Wait, duh, ofc you heard the 560. Sorry for the dumb question. Hmm, interesting. I was thinking the 400i was the better buy up until this point, but with this, kinda tips the scale.

Well, it's hard to say which is exactly the better buy. I don't think there will be a better headphone out there than the 400i for $500 and under, but I also think the 560 is definitely competitive with stuff like the Audeze LCD-2 and LCD-X (didn't get a chance to hear the LCD-3 there for some reason) and HD800, some of which costs way more than the 560.

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Well, it's hard to say which is exactly the better buy. I don't think there will be a better headphone out there than the 400i for $500 and under, but I also think the 560 is definitely competitive with stuff like the Audeze LCD-2 and LCD-X (didn't get a chance to hear the LCD-3 there for some reason) and HD800, some of which costs way more than the 560.

Definitely. I'll respond with this here - The 400i seems like a no brainer if you can get a 10% or better yet, 20% discount. If not and have to buy it for $500 vs $720 for the 560, then ehhhh, much harder choice. I feel the 400i will hold it's value longer than the 560 though. Just look at the HE-500, now $599 compared to $899 release. Can find it used for $500 or even as low as $400 if you're lucky. I'd pickup the 400i at 10-20% discount, sell it later to upgrade to a potentially revised, lower priced 560 down the road, with all the information I have now. Then again, all the slight and unknown gains over the 400i that the 560 has coupled with the larger soundstage (especially in depth) seems to tip it in favor of the 560 for the price. Certainly no risk in getting the 400i, selling later, then upgrading to the 560 though.

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I think there is a 560 touring unit going on. Is there a 400i touring unit for sampling sign-up ?

 

It would be good to get more impressions along with the already great impressions at the start....

post #534 of 10280
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Originally Posted by Lohb View Post
 

I think there is a 560 touring unit going on. Is there a 400i touring unit for sampling sign-up ?

 

It would be good to get more impressions along with the already great impressions at the start....

Yes for the 560; idk for the 400.

post #535 of 10280

HE-400i vs HE-4 is gonna be interesting, definitely... I am personally not so sure that HE-400i can beat the HE-4 for me (it's the second most favourite headphone after the HD800) and therefore I am waiting for some measurements and a demo.

post #536 of 10280
Willing to bet that will vary from person to person due to the different signature balances of each. If you prefer a warmer sound, the 400i will probably come out on top. If you prefer airy, lean and sparkly, the HE-4 will.
post #537 of 10280
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Willing to bet that will vary from person to person due to the different signature balances of each. If you prefer a warmer sound, the 400i will probably come out on top. If you prefer airy, lean and sparkly, the HE-4 will.

 

Well, I would summarise my preference this way:

 

1) Reasonably balanced frequency response... or better to say 'non-weird-sounding' FR? Many headphones fit this description (both LCD-2 and HD800)... but there are definitely headphones that don't for me (HE-400 are one of them due to their severely recessed upper mids area and emphasised low to mid treble area at the same time).

2) Technical accuracy - this is where headphones like HE-500 and HD650 fail (for their price) while HD800 and HE-4 shine (for their price).

3) Soundstage - though not as important as my Yulong DA8 in balanced mode gives EXPANSIVE soundstage that everything feels spacious (deep and wide especially) when fed by the DA8. Even HE-4 or HD558.

 

HE-4 in a stock form is very nice... But my modded HE-4 is warmer and more neutral headphone. It's definitely not far from K712 Pro balance - the main tonal differences being subbass and 2khz area (a bit emphasised with K712 Pro, a bit recessed with HE-4). I have slightly modified the K712 Pro but I am talking about stock K712 Pro in the comparison.

 

Have you heard the HE-400i MLE? Do you have any feeling about it vs HE-500 (or anything else that is well-known)?


Edited by Ron12 - 7/7/14 at 2:01am
post #538 of 10280
Nah, haven't heard it. It's the only headphone I realistically want.
post #539 of 10280
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Nah, haven't heard it. It's the only headphone I realistically want.

 

I agree... The only headphone that I want to try (and maybe purchase if good enough). I could theoretically purchase some more expensive one... But I don't want to as I don't find 700+USD headphones to be good enough in price/performance ratio since I found the HE-4. HE-4 really changed my view a lot.

post #540 of 10280
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Originally Posted by SoAmusing777 View Post

Just wanted to personally thank you (out of rep for now) for the HE-400i impressions. For some reason I switched from wanting that to the 560. A look back at the 400i has me sure of which one I want now. Hopefully can manage to snap them for $100 off MSRP. How's the soundstage/imaging compared to the likes of AKG 712pro/Annie or HD800? If you already did this comparison (or someone else) my apologies. I have forgotten. I've read a ton.

Thanks, no problem!

I'll be waiting for a bit after they come out to see what deals/price drops come out too. Soundstage isn't was wide as the 712, but it's close. It's much deeper though, IMO. 800 is deeper still to the point of sounding too distant to some. I tend to prefer a deeper soundstage so if say 712 < 400i < 800. All were quite good though. As a final note, planars seem to project soundstage a tad differently than dynamics. Maybe the wavefront hitting the ear? It can make it seem more uniform sometimes. Works great for some stuff, is just "different" for other stuff. (Some have said the noise seems to "surround" you. I find that reasonably accurate)

Hope that helps!
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