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What are your thoughts on the HE-400i based on your impressions? How do they compare with a headphone such as the HD600 overall? My next headphone upgrade is probably going to be my last one so I want to ensure that I made a good choice. Thanks!

Sure. They have very different sounds. HD600 epitomizes Sennheiser's smoothness and both of the new Hifimans have real drive.

HE400i sounds like a hybrid of HE400's aggressiveness and HE500's lushness. Compared with HE400, it's a little mellower and noticeably warmer and there's some mushiness in the bass. Soundstage is much more open and wider than HE400, roughly on par with HE500. It's certainly an improvement on HE400, which was no slouch.

HD600 is much more elegant-sounding and more neutral. It is a true classical master--even harpsichord sounds good--and it plays jazz and vocals very well. But it lacks the aggressiveness needed for rock, and it lacks bass extension. So your genre-preferences will be a major factor.

A used HE500 would make a very good compromise between HD600 and HE400i (except for the weight).
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Did you get to hear the 400i at the Chicago meet Zach?


Yep!  Was a great meet and there were a lot of exciting things to hear but the new Hifiman's were both fantastic.  If I were going to buy one (at some point I will) right now I'm not sure which of the new models I'd get.  They both have fantastic signatures.

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post #468 of 10292
I wonder what was getting more love at the meet. The hifimans or the Oppo's and if the general consensus tilted towards one being better than the other.

Besides the mids being reportedly more full, the build, comfort and packaging better, are there any other qualities that the oppo bested the hifimans on?

That would be pretty embarrassing if the 499 400i bested the 1099 pm1
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^^ Oh now you're trying to start some trouble. :p

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post #471 of 10292
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I wonder what was getting more love at the meet. The hifimans or the Oppo's and if the general consensus tilted towards one being better than the other.

Besides the mids being reportedly more full, the build, comfort and packaging better, are there any other qualities that the oppo bested the hifimans on?

That would be pretty embarrassing if the 499 400i bested the 1099 pm1

I asked around a lot, in my quiet way, and the community was split 50/50 on HFM vs. Oppo. I was very surprised.

The Oppo's sound much more natural, but they soon become boring.

I would take either Hifiman over either Oppo because Oppo's treble is defective.
post #472 of 10292
I think I wonder most if the 400i is dynamic and punchy.
Edited by grizzlybeast - 6/29/14 at 10:02am
post #473 of 10292
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I think I wonder most if the 400i is dynamic and punchy.

It absolutely is dynamic, though mellower than HE400. But it's not so punchy because of some of the mushiness in the bass. I really enjoyed the driving sound of both new ones.
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

I wonder what was getting more love at the meet. The hifimans or the Oppo's and if the general consensus tilted towards one being better than the other.

Besides the mids being reportedly more full, the build, comfort and packaging better, are there any other qualities that the oppo bested the hifimans on?

That would be pretty embarrassing if the 499 400i bested the 1099 pm1

There's been a long back-and-forth on the 560 thread about this.
My opinion is that the sound of the new 400i is MUCH better than the PM-1. The PM-1 has a tonality that's very good and very easy to listen to, but as I've told some others: the real sell point is build, box presentation, materials, etc. it's a lifestyle headphone. Now that headphones and the market are even reaching older folks, it's not unusual to think that a company executive or some such would want a true statement piece to go along with his Maserati or Bentley, and $2000 ultrabook. The oppo, really, fits right in with those. It does deliver good performance, but not as much as it's price tag would suggest. The details and finish are where the cost comes in. Easy to drive, well isolating, fun, easy, consumer-friendly signature? No, the oppo wasn't meant to compete with the 400i and 560. Totally different market. HiFiMan's are more comfortable, but many see them as ugly (I prefer the look of the HiFiMan's but my style sensibilities tend to be more forward) while many see the oppo as tasteful. (I find them boring, but I understand the look) the oppo table got a TON of attention, but most of the people there (audiophiles, not consumers) were disappointed with the sound. People seemed meh about the new HFMs at first, but gradually they became a favorite for a good few. (Just among the people I talked to, YMMV)

So we have an audiophile oriented product. One that's comfy if perhaps rather utilitarian (reminds me of a vandersteen for example. Cheap outside, expense is on the inside) and something akin to a Bentley. Expensive materials and high comfort, but will it out drive a M3 or a Porsche Caymen? No, but it's not meant to, and those are enthusiast cars, priced totally differently. I almost don't think these two products can be compared. B&W is kind of aiming for a similar market with the P7. (I wouldn't be surprised if they came out with a $1000 headphone that had mid-tier performance and luxury looks and exclusive materials... Oh wait...)

I guess in closing, my final thought is- get what you like! Either ones a valid choice, and if it makes you happy, who else cares!
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There's been a long back-and-forth on the 560 thread about this.
My opinion is that the sound of the new 400i is MUCH better than the PM-1. The PM-1 has a tonality that's very good and very easy to listen to, but as I've told some others: the real sell point is build, box presentation, materials, etc. it's a lifestyle headphone. Now that headphones and the market are even reaching older folks, it's not unusual to think that a company executive or some such would want a true statement piece to go along with his Maserati or Bentley, and $2000 ultrabook. The oppo, really, fits right in with those. It does deliver good performance, but not as much as it's price tag would suggest. The details and finish are where the cost comes in. Easy to drive, well isolating, fun, easy, consumer-friendly signature? No, the oppo wasn't meant to compete with the 400i and 560. Totally different market. HiFiMan's are more comfortable, but many see them as ugly (I prefer the look of the HiFiMan's but my style sensibilities tend to be more forward) while many see the oppo as tasteful. (I find them boring, but I understand the look) the oppo table got a TON of attention, but most of the people there (audiophiles, not consumers) were disappointed with the sound. People seemed meh about the new HFMs at first, but gradually they became a favorite for a good few. (Just among the people I talked to, YMMV)

So we have an audiophile oriented product. One that's comfy if perhaps rather utilitarian (reminds me of a vandersteen for example. Cheap outside, expense is on the inside) and something akin to a Bentley. Expensive materials and high comfort, but will it out drive a M3 or a Porsche Caymen? No, but it's not meant to, and those are enthusiast cars, priced totally differently. I almost don't think these two products can be compared. B&W is kind of aiming for a similar market with the P7. (I wouldn't be surprised if they came out with a $1000 headphone that had mid-tier performance and luxury looks and exclusive materials... Oh wait...)

I guess in closing, my final thought is- get what you like! Either ones a valid choice, and if it makes you happy, who else cares!
: )

Thanks! On a different note,
Do you think 560 is a better headphone than the 400i?
I've read the comparisons you made before but making just a few notes about each, directly comparing so to speak, would be very welcome.
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Do you think 560 is a better headphone than the 400i?
 

 

I'm sure pianoman has some more detailed thoughts, but personally listening to them back to back I wouldn't necessarily say one is "better" than the other, although for technicalities, the 560 wins, but for enjoyment and musicality the 400i for me had the edge.

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post #477 of 10292
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Sure. They have very different sounds. HD600 epitomizes Sennheiser's smoothness and both of the new Hifimans have real drive.

HE400i sounds like a hybrid of HE400's aggressiveness and HE500's lushness. Compared with HE400, it's a little mellower and noticeably warmer and there's some mushiness in the bass. Soundstage is much more open and wider than HE400, roughly on par with HE500. It's certainly an improvement on HE400, which was no slouch.

HD600 is much more elegant-sounding and more neutral. It is a true classical master--even harpsichord sounds good--and it plays jazz and vocals very well. But it lacks the aggressiveness needed for rock, and it lacks bass extension. So your genre-preferences will be a major factor.

A used HE500 would make a very good compromise between HD600 and HE400i (except for the weight).

Ah, thanks! However, I'm still undecided unfortunately. On one hand, people say the HD600 have beautiful mids, realistic timbre and a pleasant, smooth, slow and slightly warm sound presentation at the expense of extension on both ends and a fair soundstage. The HE400i meanwhile seem to be fast, slightly bassy and sparkly with an adequate soundstage but may sound slightly unnatural.

 

I think what I want is an uber-HD600 that is faster, more spacious in soundstage, has more extension on both ends, slightly bassier and has a bit more sparkle. (EQ can only do so much) The HE-500 may be too uncomfortable for me though. 

post #478 of 10292
Given that description, I think you'll prefer HE400i. Another to consider is DT880, though it doesn't have rich mids and might have too much sparkle.
post #479 of 10292
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Originally Posted by zach915m View Post

I'm sure pianoman has some more detailed thoughts, but personally listening to them back to back I wouldn't necessarily say one is "better" than the other, although for technicalities, the 560 wins, but for enjoyment and musicality the 400i for me had the edge.

+1
The 560 was a sweet can, neutral, fast, precise and detailed like crazy. The 400i was thicker, more bass, more of a warm sound. I like the 400i for price and musicality, but those looking for enjoyment + technicality should pick up the 400i. Those looking for technicality + enjoyment should grab the 560. (That 560 would make a KILLER mastering can) 560 bears some resemblance to a more balanced HD800.
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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post

Given that description, I think you'll prefer HE400i. Another to consider is DT880, though it doesn't have rich mids and might have too much sparkle.

+1

The 400i really fits the bill. I found vocals to be gorgeous, but I tend to think gorgeous Mids need a balance of speed and weight. I didn't think the 400i sounded unnatural at all, much faster than most people are used to though. Mids that are too dark sound clogged up to me.

I don't think you'll get more extension with a 500. I would go with the 400i if you aren't in a position to try out either one. The 400i really is in a step up league compared to the 600, IMO.
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