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post #406 of 10226

Thank you, that's wonderful! I'm personally looking for a headphone that has beautiful, forward mids, present but not overwhelming bass that can slam when needed, sparkly treble (which HifiMAN is known to add sparkle in many of their headphones) and a good soundstage. (pretty much a HD600 on steroids)

 

I think I may have found my dream headphone. Hallelujah.

post #407 of 10226
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Thank you, that's wonderful! I'm personally looking for a headphone that has beautiful, forward mids, present but not overwhelming bass that can slam when needed, sparkly treble (which HifiMAN is known to add sparkle in many of their headphones) and a good soundstage. (pretty much a HD600 on steroids)

 

I think I may have found my dream headphone. Hallelujah.


All the above (minus anything resembling sparkly treble) !

post #408 of 10226
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All the above (minus anything resembling sparkly treble) !

Really? I quite like sparkly treble such as the HD598 as long as it's not ridiculously shrill. To me, it gives music energy without being fatiguing but that's just me though.

post #409 of 10226
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Definitely not V-shaped, I don't remember any HiFiMan that had a V-shape :p  I'd classify these as warm and sweet IMO...  Maybe slightly bassy. 

 

He-4...

post #410 of 10226
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He-4...

 

HE-400 is definitely a more V-shaped headphone than HE-4... mids and upper mids are recessed while bass and low to mid treble are dominating. You could even check graphs on the website I cannot name - the V-shaped nature of HE-400 is perfectly demonstrated visually. HE-4 are significantly less V-shaped (rather slightly U-shaped if anything) - and with pleather pads, they are not V-shaped/U-shaped at all as mids become neutral (as well as bass). See measurement on the same website I cannot name for proof (or http://personalaudio.ru/raa/otchety/naushniki/).


Edited by Ron12 - 6/23/14 at 5:06am
post #411 of 10226
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HE-400 is definitely a more V-shaped headphone than HE-4... mids and upper mids are recessed while bass and low to mid treble are dominating. You could even check graphs on the website I cannot name - the V-shaped nature of HE-400 is perfectly demonstrated visually. HE-4 are significantly less V-shaped (rather slightly U-shaped if anything) - and with pleather pads, they are not V-shaped/U-shaped at all as mids become neutral (as well as bass). See measurement on the same website I cannot name for proof (or http://personalaudio.ru/raa/otchety/naushniki/).

 

Um...nope. Have you owned both? 

post #412 of 10226
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Um...nope. Have you owned both? 

 

I wanted to own HE-400... But it would be a complete waste of money to invest into headphone which is impossible to listen without an equalizer. HE-400 were too sibilant and recessed in mids and ESPECIALLY upper mids for my tastes even though I listened to them extensively with velour pads which are supposed to improve on stock pleathers significantly. They were V-shaped sounding - strong bass and strong treble around 10-12khz.

 

That's why I own HE-4 and use pleather pads with them... After modding them, they are more neutral than both HE-400 and HE-500. With velour pads, they sound U-shaped - a bit recessed in mids to upper mids + elevated low to mid treble... But definitely not as strongly recessed as HE-400 - and definitely not as strong bass as with HE-400 as well as significantly less sibilance. That said, I am looking forward to hear HE-400i.


Edited by Ron12 - 6/23/14 at 6:02am
post #413 of 10226
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I don't make judgments on hp's that I have have not owned. You may have gotten more of a "U" shape with the he-4 with mods. But stock, they are a V shaped hp IMO. 

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HE-400 is definitely a more V-shaped headphone than HE-4...

Not the HE-400/HE-4 that I own, I find the opposite to be true.

post #415 of 10226
He4 is definitely V-shaped by default. Not by a great amount, but like the DT880 or M50. Linear response with a touch of emphasis on bass and treble. The HE400 has a response that is hard to put into simple wordings such as v-shaped. The bass is incredibly flat, and the lower mids have good presence. The upper mids become incredibly pushed back, while the treble is very, very emphasized. It's like a lopsided v-shaped curve.
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To answer Grizzly's original question on the 400i bass. The 400i sounded similar to the HE-500 in frequency response (I thought it was perhaps a little more extended in some ways? maybe that's just perceived air and presentation style) but here's the headroom build a graph thing. It seems to show the HE-500 and 400 having similar bass (quite flat really) so that's as close as you'll get until 400i graphs get here, but hopefully that answers some of your questions?

 

http://www.headphone.com/pages/build-a-graph

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He4 is definitely V-shaped by default. Not by a great amount, but like the DT880 or M50. Linear response with a touch of emphasis on bass and treble. The HE400 has a response that is hard to put into simple wordings such as v-shaped. The bass is incredibly flat, and the lower mids have good presence. The upper mids become incredibly pushed back, while the treble is very, very emphasized. It's like a lopsided v-shaped curve.

 

See, I knew I was right. :p

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To answer Grizzly's original question on the 400i bass. The 400i sounded similar to the HE-500 in frequency response (I thought it was perhaps a little more extended in some ways? maybe that's just perceived air and presentation style) but here's the headroom build a graph thing. It seems to show the HE-500 and 400 having similar bass (quite flat really) so that's as close as you'll get until 400i graphs get here, but hopefully that answers some of your questions?

 

http://www.headphone.com/pages/build-a-graph


I don't know if I trust myself completely with this because I wasn't able to ab side by side.  But I thought the 500 and 400i were very similar but that the 400i has a little more proper top end and smoother transitions into and out of the mids making it slightly more refined than the he-500, a little less lush sounding but maintained the nice full mids as well.  I'd be really fascinated to see a FR graph as well when it comes out.

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post #419 of 10226

The HE-400 frequency has kind of a weird double-dip in the mids. its like W shaped!  :biggrin:

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I don't know if I trust myself completely with this because I wasn't able to ab side by side.  But I thought the 500 and 400i were very similar but that the 400i has a little more proper top end and smoother transitions into and out of the mids making it slightly more refined than the he-500, a little less lush sounding but maintained the nice full mids as well.  I'd be really fascinated to see a FR graph as well when it comes out.


+1 It'll be interesting to see the graphs. I was able to do some comparing, but on different amps, so it wasn't ideal. But pretty much everything Zach said.

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