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post #3571 of 3579
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Originally Posted by rovopio View Post
 

@chowmein83 . As a fellow recipient of strong clamp force he400i, i have a question for you. On my he400i, i noticed the angle is pretty severe and the steel is almost horizontal... (you know, unlike their promotional photos).  Also, on my plastic setting level, the steel is only ~0.5 inches from my head, even cotton bud doesn't get in there.

 

My issue with them is that, the more i wear them (for this past three days), i literally have nausea and headache from the clamp force...

i know people's sensitivity are different, but does yours initially clamp this much as well?

 

 

 

 

to be honest, i might got an unlucky roll of the dice, this much clamp force is not what i would consider normal or healthy really. I mean, Audeze is heavy, and new hd6x0 is pretty tight, and grado S cushion and new headband is a little uncomfy, but personally, i have no issue with all of them. On the other hand, I'm wearing he400i for the course of typing this message (~3-4 mins or so). and I already felt the pressure and a little bit nauseated from it.

 

And no, i'm not claustrophobic. I don't know... does yours behave the same way out of the box @chowmein83 ?

 

regards, and thank you both in advance for helping...

 

Yes, my 400i did initially clamp a lot. However, I literally started stretching from the first day I got it, using the book method. For the first two weeks I pulled on it somewhat hard, but even after that whenever I remember, I just stretch and pull on the headband (usually right before I'm about to put the headphones).

 

Also, I think another reason why you're feeling that much "clamp" is because of the weight of the headphones. Yes, the 400i is one of the lightest planars on the market, however, it's still on the heavier side if we're comparing it to all headphones. I just looked up how heavy the Sony MA-900, Beyerdynamic DT880, and Shure SRH940 were (because you seem to have experience with those 3), and the 400i is heavier by a bit than all of those. The 400i is heavier than the SRH940 (the heaviest of those 3) by about 2 oz, or about 56g. So basically, not only are you feeling the clamp of the headphone, you are also feeling the weight of the overall headphone. I'm not trying to say you have a weak neck, if anything I have a weak neck, and the 400i is about the limit my neck can take for long periods of time (and even then, I can only wear the 400i for at most up to 4-5 hours before I have to take them off).

post #3572 of 3579
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Originally Posted by rovopio View Post

it's new. paid on the 5th. or 6th. waited 23 or so days, and received it two three days ago.
post #3573 of 3579
Just bend the headband out a little. Simples. It's not rocket science, I did mine. Easy peasy. Just do it a little at a time until you find your sweet spot.
post #3574 of 3579
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Originally Posted by bbieringer View Post
 

How many of you guys use an amp to drive your 400i's?

I am using them straight from the DX90, normal or medium gain depending on the level of the recording. I have not noticed a big improvement compared to using the iDSD micro. LCD2 are a different story. 

post #3575 of 3579
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Originally Posted by chowmein83 View Post
 

 

Yes, my 400i did initially clamp a lot. However, I literally started stretching from the first day I got it, using the book method. For the first two weeks I pulled on it somewhat hard, but even after that whenever I remember, I just stretch and pull on the headband (usually right before I'm about to put the headphones).

 

Also, I think another reason why you're feeling that much "clamp" is because of the weight of the headphones. Yes, the 400i is one of the lightest planars on the market, however, it's still on the heavier side if we're comparing it to all headphones. I just looked up how heavy the Sony MA-900, Beyerdynamic DT880, and Shure SRH940 were (because you seem to have experience with those 3), and the 400i is heavier by a bit than all of those. The 400i is heavier than the SRH940 (the heaviest of those 3) by about 2 oz, or about 56g. So basically, not only are you feeling the clamp of the headphone, you are also feeling the weight of the overall headphone. I'm not trying to say you have a weak neck, if anything I have a weak neck, and the 400i is about the limit my neck can take for long periods of time (and even then, I can only wear the 400i for at most up to 4-5 hours before I have to take them off).

 

the weight is fine, i don't actually feel the weight.

 

the plastic adjustment level i usually wear is on the "there are two holes under H plastic" level.

I tried all level, and when i tried wearing them on the "H plastic all the way down" level, all the weight of the headphone came down on my head, and that is actually far, far, far more preferable. But with that level, all my earlobe part is outside the driver so it feels unnatural. On the weight side, when all the weight comes down to my head, i'm not bothered by the weights at all.

 

However, when i use normal adjustment so that my ears will be tucked inside the earcups, the clamp force push from left and right is overbearing instead of alleviating or distributing the weights. i think if it doesn't clamp, i can wear them all day. it's just the push from left and right is overbearing, and the clamps so happens to push on two spots that is very uncomfortable for me. right under the ear / behind the jaw that gave me nausea, and right on the back of the ear, the soft spot of the head, that gave me headache.

 

i'm typing this with he400i on my head with "H plastics all the way down" level. and i think i can wear them all day with this, at <400gr, it's not that heavy, at least not to me. I don't do neck exercise, ever, so i don't know about strong neck, probably average asian neck....?

 

i'll try to stretch them with four books for maybe, 3 weeks or so, i'll see how it goes by then.

As slight decrease in clamp force won't help, i need a big, major decrease in clamp force for this to be even wearable.

post #3576 of 3579
So ive got a friend who is willing to make me some custom cups for my pair of 400i's. Now my question is has hifiman ever given out earcup dimensions and diagrams? Is there a user here who has that information? Or do I have to take them apart and have them 3d scanned? My plan is to make a semi-open wood cup and a closed wood cup and make further adjustments from there. My theory has been why spend more money on the he-560 or even audeze brand planars when I can take my 400i and modify it to my liking. Which I will be posting my steps and results eventually.
post #3577 of 3579
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Originally Posted by rovopio View Post
 

 

the weight is fine, i don't actually feel the weight.

 

the plastic adjustment level i usually wear is on the "there are two holes under H plastic" level.

I tried all level, and when i tried wearing them on the "H plastic all the way down" level, all the weight of the headphone came down on my head, and that is actually far, far, far more preferable. But with that level, all my earlobe part is outside the driver so it feels unnatural. On the weight side, when all the weight comes down to my head, i'm not bothered by the weights at all.

 

However, when i use normal adjustment so that my ears will be tucked inside the earcups, the clamp force push from left and right is overbearing instead of alleviating or distributing the weights. i think if it doesn't clamp, i can wear them all day. it's just the push from left and right is overbearing, and the clamps so happens to push on two spots that is very uncomfortable for me. right under the ear / behind the jaw that gave me nausea, and right on the back of the ear, the soft spot of the head, that gave me headache.

 

i'm typing this with he400i on my head with "H plastics all the way down" level. and i think i can wear them all day with this, at <400gr, it's not that heavy, at least not to me. I don't do neck exercise, ever, so i don't know about strong neck, probably average asian neck....?

 

i'll try to stretch them with four books for maybe, 3 weeks or so, i'll see how it goes by then.

As slight decrease in clamp force won't help, i need a big, major decrease in clamp force for this to be even wearable.

 

I think I get what you are saying. Why don't you try this:

 

You know how when you usually put on your headphones, you put it straight on your head? Instead of doing this, put your headphones on normally first, then tilt it a bit forward. Do this with the headphone on the "there are two holes under H plastic" level.

 

Normally when you put on your headphones, if you view the person from the side, you see that the top band is perfectly horizontal, or flat, like this:

 

-----------------                          (<- pretend that's the top of the headband viewed from the side, with the person's face facing left)

 

Now, what I'm saying you could try is this:

 

     _,-'
   ,-'              (<- pretend that's the top of the headband viewed from the side, again with the person's face facing the left)      
,-'   
 

 

Don't do it at the crazy angle of the line above, but I think you get what I mean.

post #3578 of 3579
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Originally Posted by jmotyka View Post

So ive got a friend who is willing to make me some custom cups for my pair of 400i's. Now my question is has hifiman ever given out earcup dimensions and diagrams? Is there a user here who has that information? Or do I have to take them apart and have them 3d scanned? My plan is to make a semi-open wood cup and a closed wood cup and make further adjustments from there. My theory has been why spend more money on the he-560 or even audeze brand planars when I can take my 400i and modify it to my liking. Which I will be posting my steps and results eventually.

Go to the HE-560 thread. There is a guy who recently posted a custom wooden cups he made himself for his HE-560.

post #3579 of 3579
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Originally Posted by Ekul61 View Post

Do any of u 400i owners have another set of headphones u enjoy more than your 400i?


For some music I do prefer my AKG Q701's better. The clarity is better than the in comparison warm sounding HE400i.

I have to say that since I changed DAC/AMP to Pioneer U-05s instead of my NAD 1050 - I enjoy my HE400i more. The Pioneer has a more direct and clear sound than the NAD that was a bit dark and warm in comparison. The match between the Pioneer and HE400i is better. Still, the AKG Q701 are really living out well with the Pioneer as well so - I would say that the HE400i has become the main headphone at home so far - but the Q701 is still seeing a lot of play-time as well.

 

Right now I'm trying to get into Beyerdynamic headphones - seems that they have the possibility to match a few of the best features from both these headphones - punchier bass and clarity? Well, we'll see...

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