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post #961 of 3090
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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post

 

On a side note, wasent HE-400 relesed like in 2012? Feels a bit too fast to relese a line 2 years after the previous one, some people might feel like they bought something that was more like a testing product (like all the HE-400 revisions). I feel slightly that way but it dosent bother me that much since the price went up for the 400i... Just feel a bit odd (especially since i bought the HE-400 about a year ago).

 

This made me laugh. Haha.

 

No offense, but Hifiman used to give us a new phones to play with every 6 to 9 months. People complained so Fang took a long ass break, but I guess people still complain. Haha. He should just wait ten years next time.


Edited by M-13 - 1/22/14 at 3:53pm
post #962 of 3090

i like innovation & new tech! it makes the hobby more exciting :D

 

also, i think with orthodynamics is just a really niche tech. kinda like the rotary engine wtih cars. very few people even know that it exists and fewer people would buy em. if it gets better marketing, companies can milk the crap outta these kinds of products. i am actually really glad that there are so few orthodynamic headphone companies. makes it easier to try everything & find something you like. and for some reason, the pricing on orthos generally seem extremely reasonable...

 

...esp when compared to some popular not-really-high-quality dynamic driver headphones that get incredibly marked up for their sound quality & the numerous amounts of flavor-of-the-month dynamic headphones that drop more than 50% of their value over 6 months.


Edited by money4me247 - 1/22/14 at 4:14pm
post #963 of 3090
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 

This made me laugh. Haha.

 

No offense, but Hifiman used to give us a new phones to play with every 6 to 9 months. People complained so Fang took a long ass break, but I guess people still complain. Haha. He should just wait ten years next time.

I doubt the 2yr break is intentional, it was probably the amount of time needed to arrive at the tech for the upcoming cans.

post #964 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Baamx2 View Post


Agreed. As jerg is here and may wish to comment I am interested as how the pads will change. Especially on the 400i as I have read that the jergpads are effective on the 400 but really work best with the 500.

The only thing I know which you guys don't, is that the new pleather/velour pads are still actively under R&D, the ones shown at CES were just working prototype earpads at the time.

post #965 of 3090
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

I doubt the 2yr break is intentional, it was probably the amount of time needed to arrive at the tech for the upcoming cans.


I agree, but people were giving Fang a lot of crap 2 years ago. He lost it and flipped out once too. Haha.

 

I think he shifted his attention to IEMs and DAPs, which is cool. Sometimes it's good to take a break from it and look at the problem again later.

 

I'm thinking about selling my LCD-2 to fund the 560 if it really sounds better than the HE-6 in a lighter package. Wouldn't that be a Abyss killer then? Haha.


Edited by M-13 - 1/22/14 at 5:55pm
post #966 of 3090

I'm very interested with the 560 as well. The headband reminds me of the ones in Abyss but the Hifimans are less ugly than theirs I guess.

post #967 of 3090

Sign me up! I'll definitely want to grab the 560s after a few runs and reviews are done. Hopefully it offers something where I can still keep the 500s. Love em!

post #968 of 3090
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post
 

i like innovation & new tech! it makes the hobby more exciting :D

 

also, i think with orthodynamics is just a really niche tech. kinda like the rotary engine wtih cars. very few people even know that it exists and fewer people would buy em. if it gets better marketing, companies can milk the crap outta these kinds of products. i am actually really glad that there are so few orthodynamic headphone companies. makes it easier to try everything & find something you like. and for some reason, the pricing on orthos generally seem extremely reasonable...

 

...esp when compared to some popular not-really-high-quality dynamic driver headphones that get incredibly marked up for their sound quality & the numerous amounts of flavor-of-the-month dynamic headphones that drop more than 50% of their value over 6 months.


I won't complain about the pricing of the HD800, as it is pretty unique product with a ton of R&D behind. Nevertheless, I think Sennheiser is sometimes really aggressive in their pricing. What the heck were they thinking pricing the HD700 at $1000? But even the HD600 that I dearly love, certainly has a high profit margin (Sennheiser sells each driver for less than $50). Both HD700 and HD600 are plastic headphones with tiny drivers. 

 

The HE-500 on the other hand, contains a lot of metal and high quality drivers that does not seem that cheap to manufacture (though I might be blowing smoke...) I am sure Sennheiser is already working on their orthodynamic headphones. And I am sure they'll sound great. Though I suspect that they'll have to do a lot of magic to keep similar profit margins.

post #969 of 3090

Yeah, i kinda found out later that the single sided magnets meant something different, i meant that was the first thing that came to mind :D.

 

I wonder what is the 400i efficiency. I assume single magnets means more power required right?

post #970 of 3090
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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post
 

Yeah, i kinda found out later that the single sided magnets meant something different, i meant that was the first thing that came to mind :D.

 

I wonder what is the 400i efficiency. I assume single magnets means more power required right?


It's either that or magnet STRENGTH generally means more efficiency... though I'm pretty sure it's only magnet strength that affects efficiency

Though don't quote me on that :P

post #971 of 3090
What exactly does single sided mean in this context?
post #972 of 3090
Those who seem doubtful about single sided planars really need to listen to a well driven HE-4. Yes, it's not talked about much, but you can blame HFM for releasing it at the same time as the HE500, which took the spotlight. You all know Headfi tends to hype up the expensive offerings, and didn't even blink at the mention of the HE-4.

Those of us who did experience the HE4, know damn well how good a single sided planar design can sound, how comfy it is, and how light.

The problen with the HE4 is it's impracticality. You'd need some serious equipment for it, unless you buy a speaker amp.

Now with the 400i and 560, that power requirement seems to have been lowered enough to allow more people to try the tech without replacing their equipment which was more than likely not enough for the HE4.
post #973 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Those who seem doubtful about single sided planars really need to listen to a well driven HE-4. Yes, it's not talked about much, but you can blame HFM for releasing it at the same time as the HE500, which took the spotlight. You all know Headfi tends to hype up the expensive offerings, and didn't even blink at the mention of the HE-4.

Those of us who did experience the HE4, know damn well how good a single sided planar design can sound, how comfy it is, and how light.

The problen with the HE4 is it's impracticality. You'd need some serious equipment for it, unless you buy a speaker amp.

Now with the 400i and 560, that power requirement seems to have been lowered enough to allow more people to try the tech without replacing their equipment which was more than likely not enough for the HE4.

 

I made this same point several pages back. So...+1

post #974 of 3090

Only heard he4 once.. poorly driven by its standards. Didn't reach the technical finesse of the HE-500, but I liked the sound sig. But as I said.. Poorly driven, as the amp (my x-can) only delivers a watt-and-some..

post #975 of 3090

I would love to hear the he4.  I've got speaker amps laying around all over the place.  who wants to let me borrow theirs? :-)

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