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post #931 of 3090
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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post

When I Heard single sided Magnets i almost automaticly threw away the idea of ever buying them. 
My first thought was "wait, so one side of the headphones is heavier than the other one? That cant be good, right?".

I think there are too many things that can go wrong with single side magnets (and im not really skilled at electronics, just seems logical)...

Also I do have to note that even if they prove to be better sounding the price did go up, so... Its not that cool.
Im looking forward to hear opinions on the headphones when they actually come out anyway, since i Really enjoy my HE-400.

On a side note, wasent HE-400 relesed like in 2012? Feels a bit too fast to relese a line 2 years after the previous one, some people might feel like they bought something that was more like a testing product (like all the HE-400 revisions). I feel slightly that way but it dosent bother me that much since the price went up for the 400i... Just feel a bit odd (especially since i bought the HE-400 about a year ago).

Just sayin.

As has been mentioned single ended has it benefits as well. Weight being one and also you dont have a magnet array blocking one surface of the driver.

Also I think 2 years is a good rate for headphone revisions, especially when correcting serious ergonomic deficiencies.
post #932 of 3090
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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post
 

When I Heard single sided Magnets i almost automaticly threw away the idea of ever buying them. 

My first thought was "wait, so one side of the headphones is heavier than the other one? That cant be good, right?".

 

I think there are too many things that can go wrong with single side magnets (and im not really skilled at electronics, just seems logical)...

 

Also I do have to note that even if they prove to be better sounding the price did go up, so... Its not that cool.

Im looking forward to hear opinions on the headphones when they actually come out anyway, since i Really enjoy my HE-400.

 

On a side note, wasent HE-400 relesed like in 2012? Feels a bit too fast to relese a line 2 years after the previous one, some people might feel like they bought something that was more like a testing product (like all the HE-400 revisions). I feel slightly that way but it dosent bother me that much since the price went up for the 400i... Just feel a bit odd (especially since i bought the HE-400 about a year ago).

 

Just sayin.

You should do a little research before dismissing the technology.

Single sided magnet does NOT mean you have a magnet on one driver and nothing on the other.

From a simple 5 minute Google research into planar magnetic headphones, you could find out that a planar magnetic design has a magnet/diaphragm/magnet sandwich on each driver... Single sided magnet simply means that instead of having a magnet on each side of the diaphragm, you only have one on either side. There are both pro's and con's to this but Dr. Fang knows what he's doing...

 

I think people should seriously do a Google search instead of making a whole lot of wrong assumptions about the technology when they are not versed in the topic.

 

Technology advances fast, would you rather have not bought the HE-400 because these were getting released a year after? Would you have held back if I told you that in another 2 years the technological advancement might warrant a new release? By that logic I would never buy headphones, laptops, phones or any electronics at all as there will always be some improvements made in the near future. I bought my HE-400 less than a month ago and I couldn't be happier with them, yes I might switch to the 400i if they are a clear improvement over the 400 but then again I might not, this is a very subjective hobby, I may prefer the sound of my HE-400 over the HE-400i, same way as some prefer the HE-4 over the HE-400 and HE-500.

 

I am excited to say the least about the 400i, specially about the pads. That is definitely one thing Hifiman needed to improve.

post #933 of 3090
Sometimes I just have to shake my head.
post #934 of 3090

Computer and digital technology advances fast.  Audio does not.

post #935 of 3090
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Computer and digital technology advances fast.  Audio does not.
+1 I'm tired of people talking about audio technology advancing quickly. It's completely false. "Do your google search" -_-
post #936 of 3090
I think everyone talking about the implications of single-sided magnetic design needs to accept that they just speculating and could be totally wrong. Implementation is everything.

I just want to see more pictures.
post #937 of 3090
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

Computer and digital technology advances fast.  Audio does not.

You'd be right in most cases, but maybe the planar magnetic headphone niche is the exception to the rule.

 

Think about it. It's a largely under-explored and abandoned field until the last couple of years by a few relatively small companies (HFM / Audeze); so unlike dynamic headphone transducers which have been researched and experimented with by many huge audio companies for decades, there IS potential in rapid innovation in planar magnetic transducers.

post #938 of 3090

I highly doubt it.  

post #939 of 3090
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

I highly doubt it.  


+1 again...plus the technology is EXTREMELY similar to electrostatic speakers, which have been used for a long time. PLUS...maggies. Nuff said

post #940 of 3090
I think the fair way of putting it is not that the fundamental technology itself advances quickly but the materials and construction techniques used are constantly being tweaked and revised whether it be lighter diaphragm materials, damping schemes, or ear pads.
Edited by JWahl - 1/22/14 at 10:14am
post #941 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post


+1 again...plus the technology is EXTREMELY similar to electrostatic speakers, which have been used for a long time. PLUS...maggies. Nuff said

Not to be argumentative, but planars and stats are pretty different technologies

http://headfonics.com/2011/05/dynamic-vs-orthodynamic-vs-electrostatic-which-is-which/
Edited by mangler - 1/22/14 at 10:31am
post #942 of 3090
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Originally Posted by JWahl View Post

I think the fair way of putting it is not that the fundamental technology itself advances quickly but the materials and construction techniques used are constantly being tweaked and revised whether it be lighter diaphragm materials, damping schemes, or ear pads.


I can agree with this. Very true.

post #943 of 3090

while i'm not an engineer the housing of headphone driver is pretty basic so there really shouldn't be much there as far as advancements go in that area.

 

 Driver wise,

 

Magnets:generally stronger = better

 

Coil: the more conductive = better ( think gold on he-6)

 

Diaphragm: lighter= better

 

not sure how much more there is to learn.  

 

silver's the most conductive metal then copper then gold

as far the diaphragm goes it's already so thin will it really matter if we can make thinner and if so would there be problems with integrity

neodymium runs the playground as far as a good coercivity and uniaxial magnetocrystalline anisotropy goes bearing a magnetic storage ranking of HA~7 Teslas

 

i'd imagine the rest is up to the engineers ears or what his consumers want

post #944 of 3090

The HE-4 vs HE-400 is a good example of single sided planar done right and double sided planar done wrong, respectively.

post #945 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post
 

The HE-4 vs HE-400 is a good example of single sided planar done right and double sided planar done wrongcheap, respectively.

FTFY

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