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post #886 of 3090
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post
 

It is possible to achieve with a little modding if you've already got a pair of HE-500: 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/646812/hifiman-he500-he400-jergpad-mod-v2-5-modulor-orders-updated-december#post_9068021

 

Still, high anticipation for the HE-400i and HE-560!

 

Thanks! I've seen this before but did not pay much attention. Now that I look at the frequency response curves, they do look great! Still, a little more treble after 1-2KHz region would certainly add some joy to my ears.

post #887 of 3090

The HE-500 will never be the airiest 'phone out there. The treble is enojoyable and resolving, yet smooth, but not that airy. That is one thing I doubt mods can fix. 

post #888 of 3090
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

The HE-500 will never be the airiest 'phone out there. The treble is enojoyable and resolving, yet smooth, but not that airy. That is one thing I doubt mods can fix. 
Agreed. It sounds very open but not airy or transparent. I think it has to do with the roll off in the very high treble. It's a trade off to have air vs no sibilance/harshness.
post #889 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 
Agreed. It sounds very open but not airy or transparent. I think it has to do with the roll off in the very high treble. It's a trade off to have air vs no sibilance/harshness.

I'd rather say air vs. smoothness in this case, actually.

post #890 of 3090
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post
 

I'd rather say air vs. smoothness in this case, actually.


Still my point is made :3

There is a trade-off, and it all depends what you want. I wish HE500 had a little more "air" but im pretty satisfied with how it is anyways

post #891 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post


Still my point is made :3

There is a trade-off, and it all depends what you want. I wish HE500 had a little more "air" but im pretty satisfied with how it is anyways

There are trade-offs assumming you are tuning the same headphone. Some headphones might be both smooth and airy (think 'stats). I want it all :D

post #892 of 3090
Come to the next Seattle meet so you can try out my he4, I think you'll find that good balance of airy and no sibilance from a modded he4.
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Still my point is made :3
There is a trade-off, and it all depends what you want. I wish HE500 had a little more "air" but im pretty satisfied with how it is anyways
post #893 of 3090
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

There are trade-offs assumming you are tuning the same headphone. Some headphones might be both smooth and airy (think 'stats). I want it all biggrin.gif
The HE-6 was airy. If the 560 is more akin to it, then it should be airy too!
It has the same frequency response if I am not mist a ken.
post #894 of 3090

Peter...I'd make a request to consider something like the he-4 cable for the new hifiman hp's. That cable was wonderful while the he-400 had lots of problems with cracking and fraying. 

post #895 of 3090
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

Peter...I'd make a request to consider something like the he-4 cable for the new hifiman hp's. That cable was wonderful while the he-400 had lots of problems with cracking and fraying. 

+1
Even for both.
The HE-500 cable is pretty fragile.
post #896 of 3090

Just got my HE-5LE now. They aren't half bad, just can't decide which pads to use :mad: I have 5 varities to choose from, am listening to modded pleathers right now.

post #897 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 


What? He's right. Less diaphragm control with only one sided magnets and therefore more distortion. Simple as that. The only clear advantage is weight (nothing to do with SQ) and a more open sound due to less resonances (something taken care of to a great extent on the HE500 with pad, grill, and felt mods).

Oh, I'm sorry, I was under the impression that no one has heard or measured the cans that don't exist yet.  Dr. Fang would totally use inferior tech to make his new headphones.  He surely is sacrificing sound for weight.  how stupid of me.

 

I just have a problem with people identifying the single driver tech as inferior.  its different.  just like a 4 cylinder vs 6 car.  If the designer knows how to work with the medium, thats what matters.  just because other single sided magnet cans exist with more distortion, doesn't mean that these will.  They might, but we don't know that yet.

 

In threads like this, assumptions are made from small bits of knowledge, and then become expectations, then exist as misinformation.  

post #898 of 3090

I'd say HE-500 is very transparent, just more lush/full and indeed ultimately lacking a bit of perceptive air...but they are a more intimate-type presentation.  I think it's possible people confuse a thinner/drier presentation as being more transparent, but I can understand a greater sense of air lending to greater perceived detail retrieval if that makes sense, at least in treble micro-details.  The extension is there, it's just not as forward in the upper registers which is still a preferable presentation to some and lends to their smoothness.  That's not to say you can't have air and smoothness...e-stats comes to mind there as davidsh pointed out.  If the HE-400i can get close to the HE-500 signature, except with a less intimate presentation and more air/openness, that would be cool to experience still and I'd be sold because I love the HE-500 signature...assuming that is in fact the target of that headphone.

 

I still need to try the HE-4...it evaded me at the last local meet this past weekend :p 

post #899 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Keithpgdrb View Post
 

Oh, I'm sorry, I was under the impression that no one has heard or measured the cans that don't exist yet.  Dr. Fang would totally use inferior tech to make his new headphones.  He surely is sacrificing sound for weight.  how stupid of me.

 

I just have a problem with people identifying the single driver tech as inferior.  its different.  just like a 4 cylinder vs 6 car.  If the designer knows how to work with the medium, thats what matters.  just because other single sided magnet cans exist with more distortion, doesn't mean that these will.  They might, but we don't know that yet.

 

In threads like this, assumptions are made from small bits of knowledge, and then become expectations, then exist as misinformation.  

That's a valid argument, agreed.

Different materials, implementations or technologies have their pros and cons but focusing solely on one to get the best of it is the best way to overcome any such shortcomings.

From my understanding, HFM is doing just that. No reason to believe they won't manage just fine.

post #900 of 3090
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post
 

Just got my HE-5LE now. They aren't half bad, just can't decide which pads to use :mad: I have 5 varities to choose from, am listening to modded pleathers right now.

Alpha pads.

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