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post #841 of 3090

Unfortunately, it seems the HE-400i will not be present at the preview event in NY this Thursday, unless I've completely missed something. So we'll still have to wait for comparisons between the two new models.

 

Still, if what Peter says is true, the HE-400i sounds like it could be a game changer at that price range!

post #842 of 3090
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Originally Posted by dxanex View Post

Unfortunately, it seems the HE-400i will not be present at the preview event in NY this Thursday, unless I've completely missed something. So we'll still have to wait for comparisons between the two new models.

Still, if what Peter says is true, the HE-400i sounds like it could be a game changer at that price range!

Indeed.
Then again, so could be the 560...
We'd have 2 game changers! xD
post #843 of 3090

Well, thanks very much, Peter, for taking the time to read this crazy thread and replying.  Sounds very promising.

 

All you eager beavers:
Just remember that what will be heard in NYC will be a prototype, perhaps even the same that was heard at CES.  Given that the cans are still being tweaked, take impressions with a shaker of salt.

 

That said, anyone going, please do post impressions :smile:

post #844 of 3090
Based on Peter's description, it kinda seems like the 400i should be called the 560, and the 560 called the 600. Still, the pressing question- how is the treble presentation? If the 560 has HE6's treble (read unforgiving) then hopefully the 400i has the 500's treble. Bravo if this post made sense to you.
post #845 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Zuckfun View Post

Based on Peter's description, it kinda seems like the 400i should be called the 560, and the 560 called the 600. Still, the pressing question- how is the treble presentation? If the 560 has HE6's treble (read unforgiving) then hopefully the 400i has the 500's treble. Bravo if this post made sense to you.

I didn't find HE-6 treble nearly as unforgiving as sone make it.
I hope for a natural sound full of air wink.gif
I really hope the ACGears brings some sound impressions, like 500 vs 560 0_0
post #846 of 3090
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Originally Posted by dxanex View Post
 

Unfortunately, it seems the HE-400i will not be present at the preview event in NY this Thursday, unless I've completely missed something. So we'll still have to wait for comparisons between the two new models.

 

Still, if what Peter says is true, the HE-400i sounds like it could be a game changer at that price range!

 

Yeah that's a little disappointing, why leave out the HE-400i? I'm really itching to hear more HE-400i impressions.

post #847 of 3090
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zuckfun View Post

Based on Peter's description, it kinda seems like the 400i should be called the 560, and the 560 called the 600. Still, the pressing question- how is the treble presentation? If the 560 has HE6's treble (read unforgiving) then hopefully the 400i has the 500's treble. Bravo if this post made sense to you.
Giving the 400i 500 treble would be horrible. I love everything about the 500 except its treble. I'm with conqerer. Open and full of air. Essentially I'd love 500 power with electrostatic treble. That would be my perfect cans right now.
post #848 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Keithpgdrb View Post

Giving the 400i 500 treble would be horrible. I love everything about the 500 except its treble. I'm with conqerer. Open and full of air. Essentially I'd love 500 power with electrostatic treble. That would be my perfect cans right now.
+1
Hopefully the 560 will be just that.
I am real curios about the 400i too of course.
I only wish they were available now. I really miss the Hifiman sound.
post #849 of 3090
Hmmmm, never heard the HE6, so I'm not sure if the 560 will be my preference. Still kinda hoping placing the new headband and pads on my 500 cups will end up being an option.
post #850 of 3090
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Originally Posted by hifiman-us View Post
 

Wow, it is great to see all the interest in the upcoming HiFiMAN HE models. 

 

Here are a few responses to answer comments and questions:

 

Headband- the new design has nothing to do with cost of manufacturing. The cost is in the tooling. Goals were to decrease weight, increase comfort and improve serviceability. The "squareish" design is to increase travel so it accommodates wide range in head sizes.

 

Appearance- feedback we had at CES to the appearance of the samples was universally positive. 

 

Sonic signatures- yes, they are still being tweaked so any comment on what they will sound like is premature. My sense is that HE-400i will sound more like current HE-500 and HE-560 will sound like HE-6 with a slightly wider soundstage. 

 

Efficiency- sensitivity will be same or better than current models. 

 

All aspects of the designs are still being improved. Our CES showing was a preview to take advantage of such a large international launch and to get feedback. Official launch will take place as we get closer to delivery.

 

Thanks to everyone for their interest. If you are in the NYC area and want to hear the HE-560, Fang will have it at AC Gears this Thursday evening Jan 23rd. www.acgears.com

 

Peter 

 

Great info! This definitely makes me more excited about the HE-560.

post #851 of 3090
Quote:
Originally Posted by hifiman-us View Post

Wow, it is great to see all the interest in the upcoming HiFiMAN HE models. 

Here are a few responses to answer comments and questions:

Headband- the new design has nothing to do with cost of manufacturing. The cost is in the tooling. Goals were to decrease weight, increase comfort and improve serviceability. The "squareish" design is to increase travel so it accommodates wide range in head sizes.

Appearance- feedback we had at CES to the appearance of the samples was universally positive. 

Sonic signatures- yes, they are still being tweaked so any comment on what they will sound like is premature. My sense is that HE-400i will sound more like current HE-500 and HE-560 will sound like HE-6 with a slightly wider soundstage. 

Efficiency- sensitivity will be same or better than current models. 

All aspects of the designs are still being improved. Our CES showing was a preview to take advantage of such a large international launch and to get feedback. Official launch will take place as we get closer to delivery.

Thanks to everyone for their interest. If you are in the NYC area and want to hear the HE-560, Fang will have it at AC Gears this Thursday evening Jan 23rd. www.acgears.com

Peter 

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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post

Indeed.
Then again, so could be the 560...
We'd have 2 game changers! xD

I think the current offerings from HF are game changers in their own way but the way the sonic qualities are described and consulting their price points, what these new UPs are bigger game changers.

Hype here has backing by HF's track record.
post #852 of 3090
If the 560 can be competently driven by portable gear, these might be my next full size hp purchase. Yes, I have somewhat strange usage--I like to use portable even when I'm home; I move around a lot
post #853 of 3090
As long as they can be driven by conventional amps (cough cough HE-6) I am in xD
post #854 of 3090

I'm going to wait for a some reviews before deciding, but if they can be driven by my Geek Pulse X I might be in for a pair of the 400i. Get my first taste of HFM.

post #855 of 3090
Here's an interesting interpretation by MrMateoHead from over on the 400i thread. Don't know how to do a cross thread quote, so here's what was written:

"HE-400 $400 "JBL-like" sound, double sided driver. Somewhat recessed upper midrange highlights bass and treble. Tizz, sibilance noted. Much beloved value-leader in Headphonia.
HE-400i $500 "Electrostat / Abyss / HE 500-like" sound, single sided driver. New sound and higher price may or may not place it as a good value. Will efficiency exceed the HE-400?
HE-500 $700 "European-like / warmer / natural" sound, double-sided driver, Lush midrange, tamer treble. Too expensive to really be accessible to all, but too cheap to not be outstanding value in high-end phones.
HE-560 $900 "HE-6-like" sound, Single-sided driver, more open. Higher efficiency helps negate need for massive amps.
HE-6 $1200 "Flagship" slightly elevated treble, tizz.

If both the 400i and 560 are are taking, as starting points, the HE-500 and HE-6, then it would seem Hifiman is trying to go up the performance ladder at lower price points. This is a good thing, as that should indicate tamer treble and a more balanced sound signature. If even the HE-6 has been noted for a willingness to play up treble, then I expect somewhat aggressive sound. But clearly, the pricing is sort of
"filling in the gaps" previously left between models.

But the real critical change is the switch to single-sided drivers, and I think that speed is going to be the biggest sonic change, though I am not sure those what with more experience with Hifiman's product range would say about the differences in sound between models, typically."
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