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post #631 of 3090
I have had the k702 and they had a wide sound stage it sounded like each instrument was playing alone with the he 500 all are combined and sound much more real
post #632 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Ultramus View Post


I guess soundstage is a hotbutton issue.

To be specific about it as you said. I do feel the he-500 has a proportional soundstage, but it is more intimate. I listen to a lot of live performances in different environments, all are well engineered but varying in size and acoustics. The he-500 sounds very similar to the smaller stage at UH's music school. Imaging is good, the sound isn't muddled but it doesn't offer the large airiness that Jones Hall has, hearing Dvorak no9 in concert sounds quite different than the same piece on the hfms. It doesn't sound incorrect, it just seems like listening to a chamber piece as opposed to full orchestration.

I hope the he-560 retains the proportionality of the he-500, just bigger tongue.gif

 

Fully agree and Dvorak symphony no9 is actually a very good example of that, it really sounds like a chamber piece. Dr. Chesky's binaural sound show is also a good check, especially the binaural shaving demo tracks. You can hear the razor move from left to right so the imaging sounds correct, but it has no height information and the width sounds kind of nondescript, sometimes actually a touch too wide.

post #633 of 3090

I don't really mind which but I'd really like to get one of the two... So just waiting for reviews, if I am not lucky enough to get a demo pair [if there is :P]

post #634 of 3090
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

While tube amps will shape the signature of the headphone, my experience is that the general character of the hp will always persist and remain intact. Which is to say that you won't turn a dry hp into a lush one with any amp....IMO

I really like my very dry and sterile w1000x out of the Wet and Lush Schiit Vali, they make a nice pair, or rather strike a nice middle ground

 

also I MISSED MY fooBar q.q

 

my pc crashed and it RUINED my fooBar... I was sick over it for days SAD FACE 

 

that said thankfully I kept all the compents from the lovely user who gave me this install for FooBar 

 

I forget who I got it from but I likes it very much... and I was very sad when I crashed and I didn't have it q.q

 

also... holy F*** listening to the DT 880 with some Dub Step and a Nice EQ... dng BOI, I didn't realize the bass hit like this :O, Granted it's not the HE 400 in terms of speed and slam... but it's close enough for me. I can only imagine what an HE 4 might sound like q.q [I really need one] 

 

So yea my vote is for a SUPER Dt 880 in the 400i... that or super cheap HE 4 BLOW OUT sales ...my poor wallet 

post #635 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

I really like my very dry and sterile w1000x out of the Wet and Lush Schiit Vali, they make a nice pair, or rather strike a nice middle ground

 

also I MISSED MY fooBar q.q

 

my pc crashed and it RUINED my fooBar... I was sick over it for days SAD FACE 

 

that said thankfully I kept all the compents from the lovely user who gave me this install for FooBar 

 

I forget who I got it from but I likes it very much... and I was very sad when I crashed and I didn't have it q.q

 

also... holy F*** listening to the DT 880 with some Dub Step and a Nice EQ... dng BOI, I didn't realize the bass hit like this :O, Granted it's not the HE 400 in terms of speed and slam... but it's close enough for me. I can only imagine what an HE 4 might sound like q.q [I really need one] 

 

So yea my vote is for a SUPER Dt 880 in the 400i... that or super cheap HE 4 BLOW OUT sales ...my poor wallet 

class Foobar {

     private int Dt880=mid-fi;

     private int SUPER=9001;

     private int HE-4;

     HE-4=SUPER*Dt880;

}

 

// error PC crashed, Foobar RUINED

// I've always had horrible experience with the DT800.... grain and no sub bass = sad face

// HE-500 though...no grain, good sub bass, and much much more = happy face


Edited by Nimzerz - 1/14/14 at 1:55pm
post #636 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

I really like my very dry and sterile w1000x out of the Wet and Lush Schiit Vali, they make a nice pair, or rather strike a nice middle ground

 

also I MISSED MY fooBar q.q

 

my pc crashed and it RUINED my fooBar... I was sick over it for days SAD FACE 

 

that said thankfully I kept all the compents from the lovely user who gave me this install for FooBar 

 

I forget who I got it from but I likes it very much... and I was very sad when I crashed and I didn't have it q.q

 

also... holy F*** listening to the DT 880 with some Dub Step and a Nice EQ... dng BOI, I didn't realize the bass hit like this :O, Granted it's not the HE 400 in terms of speed and slam... but it's close enough for me. I can only imagine what an HE 4 might sound like q.q [I really need one] 

 

So yea my vote is for a SUPER Dt 880 in the 400i... that or super cheap HE 4 BLOW OUT sales ...my poor wallet 

 

I don't think the W100X is sterile, at least not from the M-Stage :P That pairing was made in heaven [to be honest, the M-Stage likes all my headphones :P]

Ok, I want one of the two new HiFiMANs balanced, that means lush, forward mids, extended, airy treble, some tight bass and good soundstage size, superior imaging and separation :D Oh and lots of air everywhere else!

As long as the 560 is that, then have your Super 880-400i :]

post #637 of 3090
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 

 

I don't think the W100X is sterile, at least not from the M-Stage :P That pairing was made in heaven [to be honest, the M-Stage likes all my headphones :P]

Ok, I want one of the two new HiFiMANs balanced, that means lush, forward mids, extended, airy treble, some tight bass and good soundstage size, superior imaging and separation :D Oh and lots of air everywhere else!

As long as the 560 is that, then have your Super 880-400i :]

yea teh M Stage is a Warm headphone amp everything sounds nice with it :D

 

Number two I modded my W1000x a little differently, I put the dampen in the back of the cups, which made them in turn very dry. Which I enjoy. 

post #638 of 3090

When you guys say "wet" and "dry" what do you mean? Could you explain? I understand liquid, like liquid mids...is that the same as wet?

post #639 of 3090
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Originally Posted by dxanex View Post
 

When you guys say "wet" and "dry" what do you mean? Could you explain? I understand liquid, like liquid mids...is that the same as wet?


Essentially yes... Like the opposite of thin sounding (thin/thick I believe would be good replacements for those adjectives).... It is definitely a hard thing to describe, like grain haha

post #640 of 3090
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Originally Posted by dxanex View Post
 

When you guys say "wet" and "dry" what do you mean? Could you explain? I understand liquid, like liquid mids...is that the same as wet?

 

 

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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 


Essentially yes... Like the opposite of thin sounding (thin/thick I believe would be good replacements for those adjectives).... It is definitely a hard thing to describe, like grain haha

 

 

yea wet as in liquid mids as in a touch of extra decay and body, and some over all smoothness to the sound.

 

Dry being more "matter of fact" very accurate, lot of contrast and no excessive decay, very quick sounding, and I prefer Dry cans, although my w1000x... can be TO dry with the wrong amp. Like my NFb 10ES2. 

post #641 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

 

 

 

 

yea wet as in liquid mids as in a touch of extra decay and body, and some over all smoothness to the sound.

 

Dry being more "matter of fact" very accurate, lot of contrast and no excessive decay, very quick sounding, and I prefer Dry cans, although my w1000x... can be TO dry with the wrong amp. Like my NFb 10ES2. 


+1 very well explained

post #642 of 3090

Based on http://www.head-fi.org/t/220770/describing-sound-a-glossary

 

Dry - Lack of reverberation or delay as produced by a damped environment. May comes across as fine grained and lean. Opposite of Wet.

 

Wet - A reverberant sound, something with decay. Opposite of Dry.

post #643 of 3090
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Originally Posted by pdrm360 View Post
 

Based on http://www.head-fi.org/t/220770/describing-sound-a-glossary

 

Dry - Lack of reverberation or delay as produced by a damped environment. May comes across as fine grained and lean. Opposite of Wet.

 

Wet - A reverberant sound, something with decay. Opposite of Dry.


Velour HE500 vs Pleather HE500? Kind of?

post #644 of 3090

Ahhh Gotcha, thanks guys!

post #645 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 


Velour HE500 vs Pleather HE500? Kind of?

No, the HE-500 is wet and lush with any pads.

 

Probably more so with the stock pleather due to reflections (Jorg Jerg would be able to explain), but the sound remains on the lush side with velour.

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