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post #616 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post


I concur, that's probably the closest to its signature.
The 4s have a fun U shape with punchy bass and forward treble. The best I heard for hard-rock and metal (on a warm amp).
The HE-4 - like the HE-6 - have clean and dry sound as opposed to the lush and wet sound of the 500s, 400s and 5LEs (in decreasing order).

here's to hoping the 400i is more clean and dry :3

post #617 of 3090
I agree. The HE-4 is more dry, and LOT more airy, by quite a bit compared to the warmer HE-400, which was quite thick of note (other than the thin upper mids).
post #618 of 3090
Let me please preface this with I obviously haven't heard the HE400i or HE560...Though maybe I can give just as ample of a review as we have so far: Planar Magnetic technology utilizes magnets to help achieve it's amazing sound quality. The HE560 was a huge success at CES. The sound when connected to a Sprint Nextel was better than Studio Beats. These headphones are lighter too- when wearing them, they do feel lighter and they look different than previous models. When looking closely, you'll notice the appearance is changed. I highly recommend these headphones, the sound quality is great. --Please note the sarcasm, born out of frustration for lack of any critical or in-depth review of these headphones smily_headphones1.gif
Edited by Zuckfun - 1/14/14 at 8:54am
post #619 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Zuckfun View Post

Let me please preface this with I obviously haven't heard the HE400i or HE560...Though maybe I can give just as ample of a review as we have so far: Planar Magnetic technology utilizes magnets to help achieve it's amazing sound quality. The HE560 was a huge success at CES. The sound when connected to a Sprint Nextel was better than Studio Beats. These headphones are lighter too- when wearing them, they do feel lighter and they look different than previous models. When looking closely, you'll notice the appearance is changed. I highly recommend these headphones, the sound quality is great. smily_headphones1.gif

I would be surprised if it didn't :eek:

post #620 of 3090
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Originally Posted by zxc View Post
 


I don't see a significant difference in the pads. Any clear pictures or some descriptions?

Some of the pictures do show them with current velour pads, but there are a few that have been posted in this thread that show the new pleather/leather style pads.  Reports are that they're slightly angled (as you can kind of see in some of the pictures) and that some elements were influenced by jergpads, presumably in regards to damping.  They're still prototyping but Dr. Fang confirmed that they will be offering a complete redesign of both the current pads and they'll will retain the same/similar mounting system to be backwards compatible with current models.  I am optimistic that their R&D here will result in better pads comparatively.

post #621 of 3090
I can only wish that if they have new velours, they'll feel as good as the old HFM velours (used on the HE-4) that were a disaster in terms of mounting, but amazing in comfort.
post #622 of 3090
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I can only wish that if they have new velours, they'll feel as good as the old HFM velours (used on the HE-4) that were a disaster in terms of mounting, but amazing in comfort.

Definitely, the newer velours are terribly itchy and stiff.

I wish for the new velour to compare well to the current AKG/Philips velour as far as softness and depth goes.

Both the KXX2 and X1 have great velours IMO.

post #623 of 3090
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post

Definitely, the newer velours are terribly itchy and stiff.
I wish for the new velour to compare well to the current AKG/Philips velour as far as softness and depth goes.
Both the KXX2 and X1 have great velours IMO.
Or as comfy as HD650's velour. It will be interesting to know if Jergpads improve the SQ on these new headphones, since apparently Dr. Fang incorporated Jerg's ideas into the new design.
post #624 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

here's to hoping the 400i is more clean and dry :3

 

I vote lush and wet. 

post #625 of 3090
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

 

I vote lush and wet. 

Go buy some tube amp you :p.

post #626 of 3090

While tube amps will shape the signature of the headphone, my experience is that the general character of the hp will always persist and remain intact. Which is to say that you won't turn a dry hp into a lush one with any amp....IMO

post #627 of 3090
Shure 1840 has fantastic velour too.
post #628 of 3090
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

While tube amps will shape the signature of the headphone, my experience is that the general character of the hp will always persist and remain intact. Which is to say that you won't turn a dry hp into a lush one with any amp....IMO

True that.

post #629 of 3090
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

Concerning sound stage... (Click to show)
Talking about big sound stage annoys my inner audiophile as it is such a diffuse term. There are so many factors, it ain't that simple. A bigger sound stage isn't necessarily better for me. I'd rather have proportionality in many cases. Makes for a more realistic sound stage compared to something like an extremely wide sound stage with no depth to speak of. Not good. 
And speaking about big sound stage is also misleading, as the perception of sound stage partially rely on other technicalities like imaging, frequency response, transients, detail extraction, etc..

Example: A lot of high end headphones (like HE-500) doesn't necessarily have a bigger sound stage than some lower end headphones. But they still sound 'bigger' and gives more 'scale'... Like HE-500 vs. ksc75 for example.

Another example: HE-500 sound stage is said to be fairly shallow (not that much depth). I am quite positive some of the reason behind people saying that is because vocals and instruments in the front of the listener sounds a little diffused and spread out. Yet those terms are what we mostly refer to as terms describing imaging...

Even the word sound stage isn't too strongly defined and people here use it in various ways.. As one might refer to the actual perceived size of the stage (is x inches wide, x inches deep, etc.), while others might refer to how big they perceive the stage of a live recoridng (front row, like being in a concert hall, like having x artist sitting on my lap singing to me, blah blah, etc. etc.).
Some don't even agree in what height, depth and width is, have seen that several times before!
We need a proper definition of sound stage, imaging, etc IMO. I like the view Darth Nut takes in his sr-007 review for example. That actually describes the staging ability in a way that can't be misunderstood.
//end rant

Still looking forward to the new hifimans. Another 'impression' to add to the list is the guys from Sieveking claiming both the HE400i and 560 are nice upgrades to the 400 and 500 in sound quality. That is at least what I have heard..

I guess soundstage is a hotbutton issue.

To be specific about it as you said. I do feel the he-500 has a proportional soundstage, but it is more intimate. I listen to a lot of live performances in different environments, all are well engineered but varying in size and acoustics. The he-500 sounds very similar to the smaller stage at UH's music school. Imaging is good, the sound isn't muddled but it doesn't offer the large airiness that Jones Hall has, hearing Dvorak no9 in concert sounds quite different than the same piece on the hfms. It doesn't sound incorrect, it just seems like listening to a chamber piece as opposed to full orchestration.

I hope the he-560 retains the proportionality of the he-500, just bigger tongue.gif
post #630 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Ultramus View Post


I guess soundstage is a hotbutton issue.

To be specific about it as you said. I do feel the he-500 has a proportional soundstage, but it is more intimate. I listen to a lot of live performances in different environments, all are well engineered but varying in size and acoustics. The he-500 sounds very similar to the smaller stage at UH's music school. Imaging is good, the sound isn't muddled but it doesn't offer the large airiness that Jones Hall has, hearing Dvorak no9 in concert sounds quite different than the same piece on the hfms. It doesn't sound incorrect, it just seems like listening to a chamber piece as opposed to full orchestration.

I hope the he-560 retains the proportionality of the he-500, just bigger tongue.gif


+1

The he-500's soundstage is very natural and intimate IMO

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