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post #601 of 3089
U know that's the hd700 in the picture right?
post #602 of 3089

Been away from head-fi for a while, then I see this thread.

Damn HiFiMAN. I'm already sorry for my pocket.

 

post #603 of 3089
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Originally Posted by Ultramus View Post

Comparing the HE-4 to the HE-500, what were the main differences in sound?

Mids and highs. The 500s have a pronounced and thick mid all the way to about 8-10khz shy of where you'd start getting an airy treble. This particular 500 however had a grill mod done, I can't say how it differs from a stock 500. The stock he-4 had a more pronounced treble range than mid. I wouldn't say the mids were recessed but it is not as thick as the 500s and the pronounced treble can make it seem to take a step back on the stage. The presentation is definitely front row listening on the stock he4 but instrument separation is very good, albeit when the treble tracks get cooking in big orchestras or soundtracks the mids and treble can sound cramped.

Now the he4 with 3 mods takes on a different sound. With the star felt removed from the driver, pleather pads and grill off (for now until I make some larger opening grills), the inst separation gets even better. The front row listening now is more like 2nd or 3rd row, similar to the grill replaced he500. The treble is less pronounced but still very well presented, the mids and lows stay the same but now the mids come out a bit more. What you get is a flat response with a polite treble, great for the treble sensitive like myself. This is more preference, the treble isn't too hot to begin with just a little much for me (unless you're dealing with poorly mastered tracks then the he4 can get treble hot in a hurry).

The bass between the two is about the same as far as how deep it goes and clarity but the he4 has a slight one up on slam and quantity.

For the price, the he4 has excellent value. If you have the power to run them already, I would say it had better performance to price ratio than the 500s. (I'd think Darth Vader would have liked them too since he has the power for em but they're a little bright for his style)

What's interesting is the new hf line being single ended with the same light weight as the he4, yet seemingly only to be as efficient if not more efficient than the he400. Can't wait to audition both the new hps, more so on the 560 and sometime in the near future. Very excited for the new lineup.

Comparisons were done on a dedicated Sabre AudioGD DAC to a lisa 3 amp for both he4 and he500. I own the he4 so I have longer experience with it's sound than the 500s.
post #604 of 3089
The HE4 doesn't come with pleather...
post #605 of 3089

I found HE-500 to be technically superior against HE-4 but I am positive my amping was sub-standard for the HE-4 as the bass was slightly hollow etc. But I liked the signature. I found it to sound more forward than HE-500, a little grado-ish. Very good with rock and metal-ish stuff.

It was only a fairly brief demo, though.

post #606 of 3089
I have always said. The HE4 is a planarmagnetic super DT880. Well balanced, slightly mid recessed, energetic but not overwhelming top.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/14/14 at 4:43am
post #607 of 3089
Correct, but I've put one on mine. This pic was before I took the stock grills off.

The he4 are almost as inefficient as the he6. The 4s are 89db vs the 600 at 84db (?). The sound is not as Grado-ish with the mods said above but I have heard other owners say that who've had experien
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The HE4 doesn't come with pleather...

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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

I found HE-500 to be technically superior against HE-4 but I am positive my amping was sub-standard for the HE-4 as the bass was slightly hollow etc. But I liked the signature. I found it to sound more forward than HE-500, a little grado-ish. Very good with rock and metal-ish stuff.
It was only a fairly brief demo, though.
ce with both makers.
post #608 of 3089
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

U know that's the hd700 in the picture right?

hahaha yes, but don't you agree they look very vader-esque?

 

lol. but i totally got this deal email today about real darth vader headphones: http://www.amazon.com/Funko-Darth-Vader-DJ-Headphones/dp/B0040VJ4XE/ref=sr_1_1?t=slickdeals&tag=slickdeals&ascsubtag=JH5D9H0dEeOTkhIkcGOq0A0_sxEv3_0_0_0&ie=UTF8&qid=1389633841&sr=8-1&keywords=Star+Wars+-+Darth+Vader+DJ+Headphones

 

only $25

post #609 of 3089

^^ Good reviews as well. :biggrin:  Is it just me or has time slowed down since the announcement the new hifiman hp's? :blink:

post #610 of 3089
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Originally Posted by DoctaCosmos View Post
 

i suppose soundstage would be a subjective opinion too then. But wouldnt a headphone that has a larger soundstage "technically" be better even if the listening experience was subjective?

define "large"

 

if it's wider than it is deep is it larger, or if it's deeper than it wide... is that larger?

 

either way though, really hoping to see Hifiman at the Charolette meet, as there will be an Orignal Jade [I think], LCD2 and a few Staxs cans there! 

post #611 of 3089
Concerning sound stage... (Click to show)

Talking about big sound stage annoys my inner audiophile as it is such a diffuse term. There are so many factors, it ain't that simple. A bigger sound stage isn't necessarily better for me. I'd rather have proportionality in many cases. Makes for a more realistic sound stage compared to something like an extremely wide sound stage with no depth to speak of. Not good. 

And speaking about big sound stage is also misleading, as the perception of sound stage partially rely on other technicalities like imaging, frequency response, transients, detail extraction, etc..

 

Example: A lot of high end headphones (like HE-500) doesn't necessarily have a bigger sound stage than some lower end headphones. But they still sound 'bigger' and gives more 'scale'... Like HE-500 vs. ksc75 for example.

 

Another example: HE-500 sound stage is said to be fairly shallow (not that much depth). I am quite positive some of the reason behind people saying that is because vocals and instruments in the front of the listener sounds a little diffused and spread out. Yet those terms are what we mostly refer to as terms describing imaging...

 

Even the word sound stage isn't too strongly defined and people here use it in various ways.. As one might refer to the actual perceived size of the stage (is x inches wide, x inches deep, etc.), while others might refer to how big they perceive the stage of a live recoridng (front row, like being in a concert hall, like having x artist sitting on my lap singing to me, blah blah, etc. etc.).

Some don't even agree in what height, depth and width is, have seen that several times before!

We need a proper definition of sound stage, imaging, etc IMO. I like the view Darth Nut takes in his sr-007 review for example. That actually describes the staging ability in a way that can't be misunderstood.

//end rant

 

Still looking forward to the new hifimans. Another 'impression' to add to the list is the guys from Sieveking claiming both the HE400i and 560 are nice upgrades to the 400 and 500 in sound quality. That is at least what I have heard..

post #612 of 3089

While I love the more 'retro' aesthetic of the current HE series, the new headband design has really grown on me, as well as the Teac cups and prototype pads from the demo units...so as it stands I'd put my vote on the new design and the HE-560 primarily.  Of course there is some functionality influence mixed in there...which I can't help :p The new design consultation really paid off IMO

 

:cool: - HiFi(f)an - :cool: 

post #613 of 3089
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post
  Concerning sound stage... (Click to show)

Talking about big sound stage annoys my inner audiophile as it is such a diffuse term. There are so many factors, it ain't that simple. A bigger sound stage isn't necessarily better for me. I'd rather have proportionality in many cases. Makes for a more realistic sound stage compared to something like an extremely wide sound stage with no depth to speak of. Not good. 

And speaking about big sound stage is also misleading, as the perception of sound stage partially rely on other technicalities like imaging, frequency response, transients, detail extraction, etc..

 

Example: A lot of high end headphones (like HE-500) doesn't necessarily have a bigger sound stage than some lower end headphones. But they still sound 'bigger' and gives more 'scale'... Like HE-500 vs. ksc75 for example.

 

Another example: HE-500 sound stage is said to be fairly shallow (not that much depth). I am quite positive some of the reason behind people saying that is because vocals and instruments in the front of the listener sounds a little diffused and spread out. Yet those terms are what we mostly refer to as terms describing imaging...

 

Even the word sound stage isn't too strongly defined and people here use it in various ways.. As one might refer to the actual perceived size of the stage (is x inches wide, x inches deep, etc.), while others might refer to how big they perceive the stage of a live recoridng (front row, like being in a concert hall, like having x artist sitting on my lap singing to me, blah blah, etc. etc.).

Some don't even agree in what height, depth and width is, have seen that several times before!

We need a proper definition of sound stage, imaging, etc IMO. I like the view Darth Nut takes in his sr-007 review for example. That actually describes the staging ability in a way that can't be misunderstood.

//end rant

 

Still looking forward to the new hifimans. Another 'impression' to add to the list is the guys from Sieveking claiming both the HE400i and 560 are nice upgrades to the 400 and 500 in sound quality. That is at least what I have heard..

yea sound stage is pretty vague in some times, my w1000x and dt 880 are equal imo in size. It's the presenation within that "space" that differs. 

 

and yea... I'm going to have to wait on getting these... home problems= no expendable money atm so I think a pb2 will be my last purchase for a few months

post #614 of 3089
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I have always said. The HE4 is a planarmagnetic super DT880. Well balanced, slightly mid recessed, energetic but not overwhelming top.
I concur, that's probably the closest to its signature.
The 4s have a fun U shape with punchy bass and forward treble. The best I heard for hard-rock and metal (on a warm amp).
The HE-4 - like the HE-6 - have clean and dry sound as opposed to the lush and wet sound of the 500s, 400s and 5LEs (in decreasing order).
post #615 of 3089
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post
 

While I love the more 'retro' aesthetic of the current HE series, the new headband design has really grown on me, as well as the Teac cups and prototype pads from the demo units...so as it stands I'd put my vote on the new design and the HE-560 primarily.  Of course there is some functionality influence mixed in there...which I can't help :p The new design consultation really paid off IMO

 

:cool: - HiFi(f)an - :cool: 


I don't see a significant difference in the pads. Any clear pictures or some descriptions?

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