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post #556 of 3090
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Originally Posted by DoctaCosmos View Post
 

A quick note about exercising while using headphones.  Studies suggest that blood flow to other parts of the body while exercising results in less blood flow to the eardrums muscles Therefore people turn up the volume louder than they should and can damage their ears.  I have found this to be true as one day while mtn biking i had a couple who was walking say something to me so i stopped and ask what.  They said something and i couldn't hear them even though i was only 15 yards away from them.  I had to ask them a couple times.  Eventually the guy picked up a rock and pointed at it and said louder "Rock on brotha"

when reading about this the author suggests marking your volume control somehow during a normal listening session and to not turn the volume up anymore than that once you start your exercise

+1 

In the beginning, I listened to music while excesses, and I eventually stop doing it, because I experienced tiresome with my ears after exercises. 

post #557 of 3090

i'd have to say that as close as the two are in price, 15% difference in sound quality could be a deal breaker.  I imagine that as high quality as both of these cans are, the differences won't be something you could put in terms of percentages.  There will be the objective difference such as which one is more detailed and subjective differences such as thick or natural presentation of vocals

post #558 of 3090
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Isolation is overrated for portable headphones IMO. Open portables are good for walks/biking where you need to still be aware of your surroundings and not get hit by a truck; closed portables are good only for taking public transit.

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post #559 of 3090
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Originally Posted by DoctaCosmos View Post
 

i'd have to say that as close as the two are in price, 15% difference in sound quality could be a deal breaker.  I imagine that as high quality as both of these cans are, the differences won't be something you could put in terms of percentages.  There will be the objective difference such as which one is more detailed and subjective differences such as thick or natural presentation of vocals

These things are impossible to quantify, would an improved soundstage be weighed more or less than more extended bass? Etc etc ad nauseum.

 

Heck I remember there was a poll thread here some months ago with a simple question: HE500 or LCD2? And the results were like 40:60 still. If LCD2 is definitively X% better than HE500, then it should be more like 10:90 or 5:95.

 

I guess my point is whether one is better than the other is fuzzy and all dependent on the individual's preferences and hearing, for headphones as close in performance as Hifiman/Audeze's middle-of-the-line cans.

 

 

The most politically correct thing one could say is "They trade blows, but I prefer A over B because I value X,Y,Z strengths of A over U,V,W strengths of B".


Edited by jerg - 1/13/14 at 10:15am
post #560 of 3090

i suppose soundstage would be a subjective opinion too then. But wouldnt a headphone that has a larger soundstage "technically" be better even if the listening experience was subjective?

post #561 of 3090

i do get your point and agree as everyone prefers different ways they want their music presented.  Not to be confused with "everyone hears different" which studies by Paul Barton show is false.

post #562 of 3090
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i suppose soundstage would be a subjective opinion too then. But wouldnt a headphone that has a larger soundstage "technically" be better even if the listening experience was subjective?

Sure, why not, that's beside my point though. 

 

If product A is better than product B in X, but product B is better than product A in Y, it's down to the user's preference (is X more important than Y or vise versa?) which product is better. That's often been the theme comparing Hifiman against Audeze headphones.

post #563 of 3090
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

Isolation is overrated for portable headphones IMO. Open portables are good for walks/biking where you need to still be aware of your surroundings and not get hit by a truck; closed portables are good only for taking public transit.


this is false, because your music is leaking out to public space & can annoy other people. While you might be enjoying the nice sound stage & hearing your surroundings due to the open design, the people around you are not enjoying being forced to listen to whatever random music you like when in a public area.

 

isolation is required for portable use if you want to be respectful to the others around you.

post #564 of 3090
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post
 


this is false, because your music is leaking out to public space & can annoy other people. While you might be enjoying the nice sound stage & hearing your surroundings due to the open design, the people around you are not enjoying being forced to listen to whatever random music you like when in a public area.

 

isolation is required for portable use if you want to be respectful to the others around you.

Hence, public transit is where closed shines, because you are sitting/standing very close to others for extended periods of time.

 

When you are on the street, unless you are wearing some open planars or Grados and blasting away hearing loss inducing volume of music or something, there will be marginal leakage with typical open portable cans (e.g. Koss on-ears or Portapro, maybe Senn PX100), and the immense benefit is you can be aware of noises in your surroundings, so that you don't get hit by a truck.

 

My point stands. :o 

post #565 of 3090

Definitely true... I have little care for soundstage as long as it is reasonably natural sounding. I'd rather have a much better FR and tonality than better soundstage. That is one reason why I enjoy the Hifiman HE500 so much even though it might lack in the soundstage department....

post #566 of 3090
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post
 


this is false, because your music is leaking out to public space & can annoy other people. While you might be enjoying the nice sound stage & hearing your surroundings due to the open design, the people around you are not enjoying being forced to listen to whatever random music you like when in a public area.

 

isolation is required for portable use if you want to be respectful to the others around you.

 

This is veering very far off topic, but that's probably one of the aspects of using closed headphones for public transit. When I'm walking to class, passing by hundreds of people, I highly doubt anyone cares that they can hear my music for the two seconds I'm by them, and I feel a lot more comfortable being able to hear my surroundings when walking down a busy sidewalk with people trying to bike, longboard, or run past me. My MS1 was my so good as a portable headphone, that I'm probably going to sell my M100 to fund a nicer Grado and use my Fostex for public transit despite their size. Or use IEMs like a normal person. :p 

 

To try to get back on topic, has anybody been able to use an HE400 successfully outside? I remember the HE500 was not only too heavy to use outside, but too large to feel comfortable walking with. 

post #567 of 3090
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

These things are impossible to quantify, would an improved soundstage be weighed more or less than more extended bass? Etc etc ad nauseum.

 

Heck I remember there was a poll thread here some months ago with a simple question: HE500 or LCD2? And the results were like 40:60 still. If LCD2 is definitively X% better than HE500, then it should be more like 10:90 or 5:95.

 

I guess my point is whether one is better than the other is fuzzy and all dependent on the individual's preferences and hearing, for headphones as close in performance as Hifiman/Audeze's middle-of-the-line cans.

 

 

The most politically correct thing one could say is "They trade blows, but I prefer A over B because I value X,Y,Z strengths of A over U,V,W strengths of B".

 

That's a great way of putting it.  It really depends on what qualities you put weight in or value  For instance,  I feel that my K712's imaging and soundstage is right up there with the likes of HD800 and T1, though not all the aspects of the sound.  And for what I value, I'd still take my K712 to the LCD-2.  

 

But this is why the HE-560 has caught my interest so much.  It seems like it could have the potential to be very well rounded overall, or at least that's what I'm hoping.  I already expect a certain level of sound quality from Hifiman and planars in general but the big thing that I'm hoping for is decent soundstage and imaging, which I feel is a weakness of planars in general.

 

Also, for me at least, excessive physical weight can negatively affect perception and enjoyment of the music by distracting focus and preventing from becoming "lost in the music" and the reduced weight is another plus in favor of the new Hifimans.

post #568 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Ishcabible View Post
 

 

This is veering very far off topic, but that's probably one of the aspects of using closed headphones for public transit. When I'm walking to class, passing by hundreds of people, I highly doubt anyone cares that they can hear my music for the two seconds I'm by them, and I feel a lot more comfortable being able to hear my surroundings when walking down a busy sidewalk with people trying to bike, longboard, or run past me. My MS1 was my so good as a portable headphone, that I'm probably going to sell my M100 to fund a nicer Grado and use my Fostex for public transit despite their size. Or use IEMs like a normal person. :p 

 

To try to get back on topic, has anybody been able to use an HE400 successfully outside? I remember the HE500 was not only too heavy to use outside, but too large to feel comfortable walking with. 


lol this last 3 pages had nothing to do with the HD-400i & were completely off-topic.

 

I was just stating a different opinion on what I consider to be polite for public spaces. Sure, if you are walking on a busy street, I'm sure the noise leakage will not be bothering anyone that long, but as soon as you enter a building, I think it will be more of a problem. I am not living in a place where you really walk around on the streets to get places, but rather drive to get places, so when I think public headphone usage, I think inside buildings.

post #569 of 3090
Comfort/weight is why I'm choosing HE500 over LCD2. Both are supposedly similar enough in terms of SQ, but there's too many complaints about LCD's comfort. Both weigh about the same, but the HE500's are said to be more comfortable for long term use. The HE560 is the only reason I'm holding off on the 500's. Sure would be nice to have some in-depth reviews.
Edited by Zuckfun - 1/13/14 at 11:10am
post #570 of 3090
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Originally Posted by JWahl View Post
 

 

That's a great way of putting it.  It really depends on what qualities you put weight in or value  For instance,  I feel that my K712's imaging and soundstage is right up there with the likes of HD800 and T1, though not all the aspects of the sound.  And for what I value, I'd still take my K712 to the LCD-2.  

 

But this is why the HE-560 has caught my interest so much.  It seems like it could have the potential to be very well rounded overall, or at least that's what I'm hoping.  I already expect a certain level of sound quality from Hifiman and planars in general but the big thing that I'm hoping for is decent soundstage and imaging, which I feel is a weakness of planars in general.

 

Also, for me at least, excessive physical weight can negatively affect perception and enjoyment of the music by distracting focus and preventing from becoming "lost in the music" and the reduced weight is another plus in favor of the new Hifimans.

These are very good points and I completely agree on all counts here.

I wouldn't write off the HE-400i just yet though :] I am fully prepared for both to blow me away :] Or perhaps just one :D

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