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post #2866 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Well, the main difference in tonality is that the HE4 is a little v-shaped. Kinda how the DT880 is known as well balanced, but slightly vshaped. The Alpha definitely has a leg up on neutrality. But that comparison is quite valid. The HE4 and AD would be PERFECT companions. Two of my very fave headphones, for sure. I'm still in awe at how open the AD sounds, despite it being closed.

 

The Alpha Dog bumps up a few notchs, HE-4 as well, with some cable upgrades.  I have DIYed cables the last year, and if you believe cables make a difference, read what Peter Bradstock says about the Alpha Dog cable on his Facebook page.  The stock Alpha Dog cable is really holding it back...cable upgrade makes if sound very close the the LCD3 (Peter's word's).  I would be glad to add the HE-560 to this duo, hoping the single sided magnets do that for me, because they sure look comfortable! 

post #2867 of 3090
Glad I'm not the only one who pegged the HE4 as a super DT880. I hadn't heard the T1, which was also what was said of it, but since the HE4 was much cheaper and planar... I lost interest in the T1.
post #2868 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Glad I'm not the only one who pegged the HE4 as a super DT880. I hadn't heard the T1, which was also what was said of it, but since the HE4 was much cheaper and planar... I lost interest in the T1.

 

I sold the T1 and DT990 three days after getting the HE-4.  I was disappointed in the soundstage and air of the T1!  Looking forward to the HE-560 reviews though!  Soundstage and air....soundstage and air......what the HE-500 was lacking........

post #2869 of 3090
Did you ever get a chance to hear the 5LE? Considering the HE4 is basically a single sided variant of it, I've always been interested how it compares and what makes it better. I see a lot of people actually liking the 5LE more than tbe 500 and 6.
post #2870 of 3090
I certainly hope the bass will be a bit different from the HE-6.
On my setup, I remember the bass being a bit too tight. I contribute it partly to the bass roll-off, which is displayed in the graphs.
With certain genres it was just fine but with certain modern music, it was not enough ( and I am certainly not a bass head.
.. I dislike that xP)
post #2871 of 3090
Im a mild basshead at times, but only sometimes. I guess for most things, I like the LCD2/HE400 level of bass. That is my absolute preference for bass. The D7000 has my fave bass of all headphones, but that's for when I get in my basshead moods.
post #2872 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Did you ever get a chance to hear the 5LE? Considering the HE4 is basically a single sided variant of it, I've always been interested how it compares and what makes it better. I see a lot of people actually liking the 5LE more than tbe 500 and 6.

 

The HE-4 was my first Hifiman headphone, I have the RE272 as my only portable though.  I wouldn't mind having a Code-X.  I ordered the Enigma from Luis, because he said it is based on what he learned with the Code-x (I asked Luis if the Enigma used a Hifiman driver, he kept silent with his secret).  I doubt if the Enigma uses the T50RP driver like his Slants.  I'm not looking back at any other Hifiman headphone.  Just want the 560 or 400i to offer more of the HE-4!

post #2873 of 3090
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post

I certainly hope the bass will be a bit different from the HE-6.
On my setup, I remember the bass being a bit too tight. I contribute it partly to the bass roll-off, which is displayed in the graphs.
With certain genres it was just fine but with certain modern music, it was not enough ( and I am certainly not a bass head.
.. I dislike that xP)

Unfortunately I had the HE-500 and HE-6 after having the supercharged HE-4.  The HE-4 can have some really good bass, at least plenty for me.  I like less heavy notes, and that is what I heard in the HE-500/HE-6.  Now give me a HE-560 with something between the HE-4 and HE-500/HE-6............

post #2874 of 3090

Why oh why did they put velour on the part of the pad that actually touches the skin?  :(

 

I get the argument that pleather heats up and causes some sweating over time, but an open-back with real leather pads doesn't heat the skin up at all.  Soft, supple leather feels 100x better on the skin than velour, and cleans better too.

post #2875 of 3090
Oh hell naw. Velour on the skin for the win. Foreva.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but arent they also using standard pads a well? I could've sworn I saw some pics with standard pads.

Lcd2 uses real leather and they're open backed. The vegan pads were faaaaaar more comfortable on the skin, though it didnt help the lcd2s overall comfort regardless, since they just arent comfortable headphones.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/26/14 at 7:50am
post #2876 of 3090

I love those pads!

post #2877 of 3090
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

Why oh why did they put velour on the part of the pad that actually touches the skin?  :(

 

I get the argument that pleather heats up and causes some sweating over time, but an open-back with real leather pads doesn't heat the skin up at all.  Soft, supple leather feels 100x better on the skin than velour, and cleans better too.

 

I agree with this. Leather as on the Audezes or Fostex (which is comfortable and doesn't create hot ears as pleather does) is very easy to clean from sebum, oils etc...and nothing will remain. Velour soaks up. It will dry but oils don't, they remain. 

 

Sure you can wash out velour but you won't do it very often (aka don't want to take them off once a week) or regularly and stress the material further, especially at Sennheiser earpad prices :evil:

post #2878 of 3090

The previous hifiman velour pads are stiff, itchy.  Sennheiser HD600/650 velour pads can get itchy too.  The best implementation of velour I've seen is the Beyerdynamic DT990, but even that can go to crap and get itchy after you've used it for quite a while and you've washed it a couple times. 

 

The best feeling pads I've worn up until this point hands down is the LCD-XC.  I can not believe how supple and natural it is on the skin.  The leather doesn't get plagued by the itchy and unnatural feeling of velours either.  Closed back-- yet still doesn't sweat.  Made it a more comfortable headphone than LCD2.

post #2879 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Well, the main difference in tonality is that the HE4 is a little v-shaped. Kinda how the DT880 is known as well balanced, but slightly vshaped. The Alpha definitely has a leg up on neutrality. But that comparison is quite valid. The HE4 and AD would be PERFECT companions. Two of my very fave headphones, for sure. I'm still in awe at how open the AD sounds, despite it being closed.

For me, the cool thing about V shape is the ability to get decent bass and treble at low volume, due to the sensitivity we humans have with the mids.

post #2880 of 3090
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

The previous hifiman velour pads are stiff, itchy.  Sennheiser HD600/650 velour pads can get itchy too.  The best implementation of velour I've seen is the Beyerdynamic DT990, but even that can go to crap and get itchy after you've used it for quite a while and you've washed it a couple times. 

 

The best feeling pads I've worn up until this point hands down is the LCD-XC.  I can not believe how supple and natural it is on the skin.  The leather doesn't get plagued by the itchy and unnatural feeling of velours either.  Closed back-- yet still doesn't sweat.  Made it a more comfortable headphone than LCD2.

Well, I use the HE-400 with the beyer pads and I dont quite agree with this.

If you wash the pads by hand in hot water (I dnt mean 40C+ but hot for your hands), the only times i get the pads to be itchy is when i shave and dont use a balsam (water where I Live is a pain on the skin.).

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