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post #1816 of 3089
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post


Shape, form and SOUND. Had both and they have tons of similarities. I did like the 500 a lot better though


Tons of similarities but big enough differences where it counted (to many). That's stock form, a Jergpad seems to alleviate the one giant flaw of the HE400 according to others who've made the mod; which is a dip in the upper mids right smack in the middle of the higher vocal range. That's a deal breaker to a lot of people including myself which is why I sold mine to go higher up the chain for that refined sound which Orthos are well known for and which many ortho owners rave about. Hence the HE400 being a taste of what a fantastic ortho can bring with refinement at a higher cost.

post #1817 of 3089
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post #1818 of 3089
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post
 


Tons of similarities but big enough differences where it counted (to many). That's stock form, a Jergpad seems to alleviate the one giant flaw of the HE400 according to others who've made the mod; which is a dip in the upper mids right smack in the middle of the higher vocal range. That's a deal breaker to a lot of people including myself which is why I sold mine to go higher up the chain for that refined sound which Orthos are well known for and which many ortho owners rave about. Hence the HE400 being a taste of what a fantastic ortho can bring with refinement at a higher cost.

i c so you have had the he500 in stock form?

 

I would like to hear mods of it myself...

post #1819 of 3089
Nope but I had auditioned them. Look at some FR graphs and you can see where the he400 dips in the mids. He500 does not
post #1820 of 3089
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post

Nope but I had auditioned them. Look at some FR graphs and you can see where the he400 dips in the mids. He500 does not

had them in your house on familiar equipment?

 

see I agree with you partially.. it is a lot more refined.. I just believe that someone who has an he400 should be perfectly fine with believing they have the real deal if they are happy with it. and not think they have just a taste. 

 

he400 to he500 

 

is as 

 

14 oz tbone is to 10 oz filet mignon

 

all are the real deal. just better versions. but nuff said its all good... we are entitled to disagreement.


Edited by grizzlybeast - 2/16/14 at 4:29pm
post #1821 of 3089
No I don't have frequency graphing equipment at home. Anyone that does has gone off the deep end and telling everyone it's only shallow waters..
post #1822 of 3089
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post

No I don't have frequency graphing equipment at home. Anyone that does has gone off the deep end and telling everyone it's only shallow waters..

:blink:

what i said just means testing them out on gear (amps, DACS etc) that you have become familiar with so you can make an accurate call. ie I know the fiio x3 is dark compared to the focusrite forte I had so I would be able to accurately say through the x3 if the 400 was dark or not. Some amps you are not familiar with may be what you are hearing instead of the headphone itself. 

 

bought the he 400 twice here and he 500 once on familiar gear.

ne ways happy trails and we both like the he500 yay:beerchug: 


Edited by grizzlybeast - 2/16/14 at 4:48pm
post #1823 of 3089
Ive A/B compared the 4s and 500s but never had the 500 in an extended period. I know the he4 well enough to know that what i was hearing through an audiogd chain very close to my home gear.

I've A/B-ed the he4 and 400s when I had both in possession but that was only a week before I sold it off..literally a week or 2 later this thread emerges. Felt like I had insiders knowledge or something as I sold it before the flood of used and clearancr drop in prices.
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I'm waiting for some secondhand HE-500s to arrive, but was really surprised today to read that the T1s, which are very comfortable, weigh 530g. There are quite a few complaints about the weight of the HE-500s, but they weigh less than the T1s which are widely regarded as a very comfortable headphone. If the HE-400i / 560 are going to be even lighter, they should be great, but I wonder if there was really that much need for reduced weight and perhaps better padding or headband design is the real issue (which is also being addressed).

 

Not questioning the new single-sided, lighter design as I doubt they'd do it if it were a step backwards, but was really surprised by the T1s weight measurements.

post #1825 of 3089
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Originally Posted by Loquah View Post
 

I'm waiting for some secondhand HE-500s to arrive, but was really surprised today to read that the T1s, which are very comfortable, weigh 530g. There are quite a few complaints about the weight of the HE-500s, but they weigh less than the T1s which are widely regarded as a very comfortable headphone. If the HE-400i / 560 are going to be even lighter, they should be great, but I wonder if there was really that much need for reduced weight and perhaps better padding or headband design is the real issue (which is also being addressed).

 

Not questioning the new single-sided, lighter design as I doubt they'd do it if it were a step backwards, but was really surprised by the T1s weight measurements.

I'm pretty sure the T1 themselves excluding cable weight is about 350g, whereas the HE-500 is about 500g....so the new HE-series cans will be closer to the T1 and similar dynamics in weight.  The biggest benefit of the headband revision is weight distribution, as a suspension type headband tends to be superior at this, and will also contribute to them feeling lighter as a result.

post #1826 of 3089
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Originally Posted by Loquah View Post

I'm waiting for some secondhand HE-500s to arrive, but was really surprised today to read that the T1s, which are very comfortable, weigh 530g. There are quite a few complaints about the weight of the HE-500s, but they weigh less than the T1s which are widely regarded as a very comfortable headphone. If the HE-400i / 560 are going to be even lighter, they should be great, but I wonder if there was really that much need for reduced weight and perhaps better padding or headband design is the real issue (which is also being addressed).

Not questioning the new single-sided, lighter design as I doubt they'd do it if it were a step backwards, but was really surprised by the T1s weight measurements.

The Beyerdynamic T1 weighs in at about 380g without the cable. The 530g figure probably includes the weight with the cable. If we compare 502g and 380g it is quite a big difference of about 120g between the T1 and the He-500. The weight of the He-560 due to the use of single sided magnet drivers reduces it to about the T1 weight of about 380g which is a saving of 120g compared to previous models.
Edited by Ordo Ab Chao - 2/17/14 at 5:30am
post #1827 of 3089

The T1 cable does not weigh 120 grams. 

post #1828 of 3089
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

The T1 cable does not weigh 120 grams. 

It is quite a thick and heavy cable from what I have seen so i agree that it likely weighs more than 120g. I am not sure where Loquah got the figure of 530g for the T1 seeing as the weight without the cable is about 350-380g (this is not an exact figure).
post #1829 of 3089

To me Hifiman is doing extremely well in terms of innovation. IMO reducing weight and pressure is first thing to consider.

I was Audeze fanboy but I will be collecting the new HE series as soon as it comes out.

post #1830 of 3089
But they sound nothing alike...
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