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post #1696 of 3091
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

I'm liking the EF-6 quite fine, thanks. A more powerful and controlled lower end, a more effortless (almost relaxed) upper end. Midrange bloom is cut down a notch, which is welcoming because piano is actually listenable now. The wow-factor is the degree of articulation that EF-6 is able to whip HE-500s into performing.


Great description jerg. That's pretty much how I feel when giving the HE-500 lots and lots of headroom. With lesser amps the midrange is too prominent.

post #1697 of 3091
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

HE500 is missing everything above 14kHz, it's a deathpit between 14kHz and 20kHz, no mod can fix that (it's a limitation of the drivers), and even with the most aggressive EQ it is a very crude remedy. Fortunately not too-too much musical information is in those reaches of frequency range, so it's a minor flaw.

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE500.pdf I'm looking at the FR graph for HE-500 and it certainly doesn't corroborate with your impression of the 500's upper treble. If HE-500 has no upper treble nor air, then neither does the SR-009 nor HD 800. Perhaps it is the forwardness or lushness of the 500's bass and midrange that is pillowing or drowning that sense of air and upper treble that you guys are claiming the 500 lacks.

post #1698 of 3091
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Originally Posted by tigon_ridge View Post
 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE500.pdf I'm looking at the FR graph for HE-500 and it certainly doesn't corroborate with your impression of the 500's upper treble. If HE-500 has no upper treble nor air, then neither does the SR-009 nor HD 800. Perhaps it is the forwardness or lushness of the 500's bass and midrange that is pillowing or drowning that sense of air and upper treble that you guys are claiming the 500 lacks.

I thought the he500 had plenty of good treble and maybe it didnt have a lot of space around the instruments but it definitely was the most open headphone I have ever heard. But it could be because I have only heard. he400,lcd2,hd650,philips x1. it sounded more open than the x1 but less spacious and more congested.

 

Airy - Spacious. Open. Instruments sound like they are surrounded by a large reflective space full of air. Good reproduction of high frequency reflections. High frequency response extends to 15 or 20 kHz.

 

 

 

 

post #1699 of 3091
I feel like the 500 is very open, not too airy, and has a middle-ish size soundstage. I wouldn't lump the terms together personally.
post #1700 of 3091

keithpgdrb knows what i'm talking about with treble airiness. planars always seem to have body where there shouldn't always be. they have an edge to them instead of being whispery.

would just like to say sorry for the rant last night.  i had planned on keeping to myself but sometimes 7%/16ozx6 makes you want to speak your mind.  The he-6 is calling my name however because it seriously rocked out and was almost haunting how good the imaging was.  if i was really zoned out i could see myself SERIOUSLY drifting away in them.  But i am also considering the 500 because of the money. i find it to be better than the lcd2 and for the money it's simply amazing.  i wasn't sure what to expect from the hifimans after hearing the 400 that i wanted to like but couldn't.

post #1701 of 3091

the 500 was has a large in head soundstage but the he-6 is out of your head and in head kind of.

looking at the glossary of describing sound i suppose i shouldn't have said airy or to explain what i meant.  i guess liquid would be but

to me that doesn't seem to be the right word what i am describing. maybe breathy and gentle in the upper frequencies

post #1702 of 3091
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Originally Posted by ethan7000 View Post

I feel like the 500 is very open, not too airy, and has a middle-ish size soundstage. I wouldn't lump the terms together personally.

+1

 

Me neither but that is what they do here way before I got here so oh well. and what I copied was from the glossary of sound descriptions used here. 

post #1703 of 3091
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Originally Posted by JWahl View Post

Fair enough, and that makes sense.  Thanks for not coming back defensively.  To be fair though, he only waited about a day before quoting himself, unless he has asked it earlier which I may have missed.  Plus alot of them may still be on vacation from the Chinese new year maybe?  Not sure about the headband retrofit, but they did mention the new pads can be.
Others asked before me as well
post #1704 of 3091
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post


No, he must be talking about the HE-4, which is the most airy of them all.
I can't think of any aspect where I didn't like the HE-4 better than K-701 and DT-880 250. Air was also one of them.

I can get behind that, I find the HE 4 to be as airy if not a smidge airer than my old DT 880 600 

post #1705 of 3091

Can't wait for reviews about the HE-560 !

I'll be happy if it has a less "metallic" sound and a little more soundtage than my HE-500.

post #1706 of 3091
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Originally Posted by Rudiger View Post
 

Can't wait for reviews about the HE-560 !

I'll be happy if it has a less "metallic" sound and a little more soundtage than my HE-500.


metallic? O.o uh....okay

post #1707 of 3091

Yes even if it's just a little. Nothing too annoying but... IMO...

post #1708 of 3091

Well I guess since I came from the DT880 I think this is the complete opposite of metallic lol

post #1709 of 3091

Ultrasone Pro 900 has a true metallic treble... K612s might gave some sibilance in the treble at times... But the HE-6 had none of that and I imagine the HE-500 being less extended there, has neither too :D

post #1710 of 3091

I just caught up on the last few pages hoping to read new info and all I've learned is that some of you HFM lovers are a very defensive lot :tongue_smile:

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