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post #1066 of 3022
I'm mostly excited about the pricing. HiFiMAN literally increased the price by a fraction of what Audez'e does. I mean, the $699 HE-500 to the $899 HE-650? That's nothing if the anecdotal reports of extreme comfort, amazing sound, and improvements over the HE-500 are all true. Kudos to Dr. Fang.

And then we have Audez'e, who, IMHO, came out with the LCD-3, doubled the price from $995 to $1995, didn't improve the comfort, uses a different wood and slightly different driver technology, correct? Oh, and the sound improvements are about 10% at the most, absolutely ludicrous in my eyes.

Seriously though, with the way HiFiMAN is going, they are going to do really, really good.
post #1067 of 3022
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post

I'm mostly excited about the pricing. HiFiMAN literally increased the price by a fraction of what Audez'e does. I mean, the $699 HE-500 to the $899 HE-650? That's nothing if the anecdotal reports of extreme comfort, amazing sound, and improvements over the HE-500 are all true. Kudos to Dr. Fang.

And then we have Audez'e, who, IMHO, came out with the LCD-3, doubled the price from $995 to $1995, didn't improve the comfort, uses a different wood and slightly different driver technology, correct? Oh, and the sound improvements are about 10% at the most, absolutely ludicrous in my eyes.

Seriously though, with the way HiFiMAN is going, they are going to do really, really good.

couldn't agree with you more!

 

pricing is what drove me to hifiman in the first place, and while i picked up a pair of lcd2's over black friday (getting a pair of rosewoods for $795!), i really don't think i could ever justify spending even $1,700 for the LCD-X, much less $2,000 for the lcd3 (unless I won the lottery, of course).  

post #1068 of 3022

I picked the Bamboo LCD-2's for $796 over the holidays as well. Now I am returning them. Actually I was just about to return the HE-500's as well, and I gave up, knowing that the better HE-560 will be available pretty soon.

post #1069 of 3022
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I picked the Bamboo LCD-2's for $796 over the holidays as well. Now I am returning them. Actually I was just about to return the HE-500's as well, and I gave up, knowing that the better HE-560 will be available pretty soon.

why the return, if i may ask?

post #1070 of 3022
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why the return, if i may ask?

I don't like buying and selling much. I thought I should wait for the HE-560's... HE-500 is rather heavy after all. $200 is not much price difference either... But I just decided to keep them. They just sound so good.

post #1071 of 3022
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I don't like buying and selling much. I thought I should wait for the HE-560's... HE-500 is rather heavy after all. $200 is not much price difference either... But I just decided to keep them. They just sound so good.

If you're enjoying them alot, my recommendation would be to hold on to them for the time being and try to compare them to the new ones side by side either at a local meet, with a demo pair or biting the bullet and investing in them for a more extended comparison (then sell/return the other).  This is what I hope to do anyway because I like my HE-500 alot as well and it would be a bummer if I went through the trouble of selling them to fund the HE-560 for example and ended up liking the HE-500 more.  Time will tell, but I'm in no rush...enjoy the HE-500 for now :cool: 

post #1072 of 3022
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

From the impression, the 560 sounds like a cross between the HE-4 and HE-500 with a better midrange.  The HE-4 is a SE driver, light with lots of air - yes more than the HE-500.  I like the bass on the HE-4 better, tighter and just more accurate.  The mids are what missing in the HE-4, this is where the HE-500 comes in.

 

So for those who have not had a chance to hear the HE-4 (the forgotten HiFiMan headphone) - I suggest you do so before the HE-560 come out, just so you can have another point of reference.

 

+ 1000

post #1073 of 3022
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post
 

If you're enjoying them alot, my recommendation would be to hold on to them for the time being and try to compare them to the new ones side by side either at a local meet, with a demo pair or biting the bullet and investing in them for a more extended comparison (then sell/return the other).  This is what I hope to do anyway because I like my HE-500 alot as well and it would be a bummer if I went through the trouble of selling them to fund the HE-560 for example and ended up liking the HE-500 more.  Time will tell, but I'm in no rush...enjoy the HE-500 for now :cool: 


Thanks for the advise. That's exactly what I plan to do.

 

I was actually returning them today. Then I listened to the HD600. Missed the HE-500. Decided to keep them. :)

post #1074 of 3022
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post
 

If you're enjoying them alot, my recommendation would be to hold on to them for the time being and try to compare them to the new ones side by side either at a local meet, with a demo pair or biting the bullet and investing in them for a more extended comparison (then sell/return the other).  This is what I hope to do anyway because I like my HE-500 alot as well and it would be a bummer if I went through the trouble of selling them to fund the HE-560 for example and ended up liking the HE-500 more.  Time will tell, but I'm in no rush...enjoy the HE-500 for now :cool: 

 

This is sage advice.

 

It's possible that the new HFMs (we really need solid reviews of both) will be different, and good, enough to complement the HE-500s.  Yep, $900 is a lot to drop on another pair of cans.  Of course $400-$500 is also a lot.  To be able to compare at a meet would be the ideal.  Biting the bullet on one new pair, and then returning, or selling on the HE-500s, is a little more painful, if you can only afford to have one.  Maybe those shops that "rent" cans will offer the new ones.  Less of a bullet to bite.

 

I find the idea of selling my nicely modded HE-500s unrealistic.  Still want to hear both the new ones, so maybe I can start squirreling away some $$$ for the day temptation to own two HFMs overwhelms me ;)

 

It needs to be repeated: patience.

post #1075 of 3022

I'm really interested to see how the HE-6 fares against the new headphones, as some people feel the HE-500 was pretty competitive, and actually, maybe a better buy, as it did not require quite as much amping.  I haven't heard the HE-6, though, so I don't have a frame of reference in that argument.  If the HE-6 remains the flagship, which price alone might indicate Hifiman intends it to remain so, then how much better can the 560 really be compared to the 500?  Or is it meant to be a different sound altogether?

post #1076 of 3022

I don’t think the HE-560 will be better than the HE-6. The HE-6 is an orthodynamic version of the HD800. The HE-560 with sound quality of the HE-6 is really worth more than $1000, IMO.  

post #1077 of 3022
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Originally Posted by nicdub View Post
 

I'm really interested to see how the HE-6 fares against the new headphones, as some people feel the HE-500 was pretty competitive, and actually, maybe a better buy, as it did not require quite as much amping.  I haven't heard the HE-6, though, so I don't have a frame of reference in that argument.  If the HE-6 remains the flagship, which price alone might indicate Hifiman intends it to remain so, then how much better can the 560 really be compared to the 500?  Or is it meant to be a different sound altogether?

 

There's a world that separates the 500s and 6s in terms of technicality. A different class for sure.

 

The tonality is also very different -> different strokes for different folks. This alone make both of them alternatives rather than just upgrade.

post #1078 of 3022

I would also agree that HE-6 sounds nothing like the other models.

post #1079 of 3022
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Originally Posted by pdrm360 View Post
 

I don’t think the HE-560 will be better than the HE-6. The HE-6 is an orthodynamic version of the HD800. The HE-560 with sound quality of the HE-6 is really worth more than $1000, IMO.  

You have to think in context of this being a generational change for Hifiman's driver technology, in that case an improved price:performance ratio would be fine. 

 

Kinda like how newer CPU or hard-drives are better than old ones yet are being sold at the same or even cheaper prices, as innovative manufacturing / design pull through.

 

That being said, we don't know if that will be the case. Currently the only thing we know is driver weight is heavily shaved-off, without compromising sensitivity and sound quality.


Edited by jerg - 1/24/14 at 2:27pm
post #1080 of 3022
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post

Yeah, I kind of think of air more as transparency...rather than treble. Though I do think that treble plays some part in it.


Wow, you're right. EQing the 14khz - 20khz area definitely add's more "air"
I bump this area about 2db personally. Same with lower extremeties, haha
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