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Originally Posted by pdrm360 View Post
 

 

You've made "too much" restrictions for your preference.

I do know what I like even though it might not be what you like.;)

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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 

Yeah, I kind of think of air more as transparency...rather than treble. Though I do think that treble plays some part in it.


Wow, you're right. EQing the 14khz - 20khz area definitely add's more "air"

I know, it's almost addictive, and makes you realize just how much more HE500 could have been if it was able to just crank out 14kHz+ information more loudly by nature. I always go back and forth about EQ, it feels like it cheapens things / makes things impure by adding a filter, yet at the same time it enhances where the hardware lacks.

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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Then again, my definition of "airy" is different than yours.  When I was in school for mixing/mastering, I was taught to give vocal more air by boosting at a much lower frequency(between 12-14k, very rarely pushed to 15k) than what you suggested.  IMO, I don't believe that I was taught incorrectly.

 

 

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I know, it's almost addictive, and makes you realize just how much more HE500 could have been if it was able to just crank out 14kHz+ information more loudly by nature. I always go back and forth about EQ, it feels like it cheapens things / makes things impure by adding a filter, yet at the same time it enhances where the hardware lacks.


I agree about everything you said. Though I also feel like treble is "artificial, or fake" air in a headphone. It creates the illusion of air, but the reality IMO is that it is the driver limitations that restrict air. Some term called transparency that I have no idea what it means but I have enough of an idea of what it sounds like that I can claim it is something...is what I'd consider "air" and I believe Stats have that quality in them.

 

The main example that I can think of for this is the DT990 pro...The massive treble boost and withdraw in the midrange create the illusion of "space" and "air" IMO. The soundstage is probably also largely an illusion. Though, isn't everything in a headphone an illusion? LOL


Edited by Nimzerz - 1/23/14 at 11:26pm
post #1054 of 3057
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

I wouldn't call HE500 airy, it IS sparkly enough (fairly neutral treble extension up to about 13kHz, the 10-13kHz constituting the "sparkle" aspect of music), but there is close to nothing past 14kHz, it just rolls off the hills.

 

And the area between 14kHz - 20kHz is where "air" is, it is too high frequency to be perceived as sparkle, but still audible and constitutes the background atmospheric / ambient cues.

 

Yes audio terminology is confusing.

 

Yeah, that was my perception as air without knowing really the frequencies,  if the 560 adds that while retaining most of the qualities I like about the 500, that could be pretty meaningful. It's unfortunate hifiman wont be making the bay area meet. I would have liked to have a listen.

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Originally Posted by Llloyd View Post

?? do people find the 500 to be particularly airy?
No. Electrostats are airy. 500's are not.
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So... Where is the preorder button?
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Originally Posted by senson View Post
 

Mid: it could be the differences caused by using different set-up there but HE-560's mid sounds more lively and up close compare to LCD-X.  I actually like HE-560's mid better than LCD-X's mid

Bass: pretty strong has tight impactful sound little less quantity compare to LCDs but tighter.

This is great news! One thing I did not like about the LCD-2 was that it's as if the sound was coming out of a tunnel. I guess some people call this "deep soundstage" but  to me it just sounded distant. The HE-500 on the other hand, like the HD600, had lively and close mids. I am glad HE-560 is preserving this important quality. I am perfectly happy with the bass quality of the HE-500. I think LCD-2 lacked a little texture in the lows, although it was a lot more powerful.

 

One question: Anything you can add about the highs, in particular about the 1khz-6kHz region?  It would be awesome if HE-560 had a tad more emphasis on the upper mids compared to the HE-500...

 


Edited by zxc - 1/24/14 at 4:32am
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Great to see some impressions coming out. Seems like the he560 will be a wonderful hp, but likely not for me. I'm looking forward to more impressions on the he400i.

 

:popcorn:

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From the impression, the 560 sounds like a cross between the HE-4 and HE-500 with a better midrange.  The HE-4 is a SE driver, light with lots of air - yes more than the HE-500.  I like the bass on the HE-4 better, tighter and just more accurate.  The mids are what missing in the HE-4, this is where the HE-500 comes in.

 

So for those who have not had a chance to hear the HE-4 (the forgotten HiFiMan headphone) - I suggest you do so before the HE-560 come out, just so you can have another point of reference.

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

From the impression, the 560 sounds like a cross between the HE-4 and HE-500 with a better midrange.  The HE-4 is a SE driver, light with lots of air - yes more than the HE-500.  I like the bass on the HE-4 better, tighter and just more accurate.  The mids are what missing in the HE-4, this is where the HE-500 comes in.

 

So for those who have not had a chance to hear the HE-4 (the forgotten HiFiMan headphone) - I suggest you do so before the HE-560 come out, just so you can have another point of reference.

Or a cross between the HE-500 and 6, hence the name ;)?

I assume that's what they meant to achieve and probably managed to :D

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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 

Or a cross between the HE-500 and 6, hence the name ;)?

I assume that's what they meant to achieve and probably managed to :D

 

Well, no.  Think of a light weight SE driver = HE-4.  Either the HE-500 or the HE-6 are SE or light weight.  They can name it what ever they want.  

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

Well, no.  Think of a light weight SE driver = HE-4.  Either the HE-500 or the HE-6 are SE or light weight.  They can name it what ever they want.  

Ok but.. did you hear the headphone? I didn't so... I can only base anything off the brief impressions we've got.

Regardless, I guuess from what we've got so far, these seem to be pretty good :]

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Did I hear the headphone????  Of course not, never said I did.  

 

I'm just saying - by the impressions thus far about how airy they are compared to the HE-500 and the HE-560 being a light weight SE driver like the HE-4 - I just came to "my own" conclusion that it could be looked at as some sort of a HE-4 / HE-500 cross.  Just saying.

 

 

Have you heard the HE-4?  Again - this could be used as a point of reference. :cool: 

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

Did I hear the headphone????  Of course not, never said I did.  

 

I'm just saying - by the impressions thus far about how airy they are compared to the HE-500 and the HE-560 being a light weight SE driver like the HE-4 - I just came to "my own" conclusion that it could be looked at as some sort of a HE-4 / HE-500 cross.  Just saying.

 

 

Have you heard the HE-4?  Again - this could be used as a point of reference. :cool: 

I am not trying to be offensive about anything... I was just asking how you came up with that impression :P

 

I unfortunately did not have the pleasure of hearing the HE-4... But how does the HE-4 and 6 compare in terms of air? That's a point of reference I fondly remember :D

post #1065 of 3057
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 

Or a cross between the HE-500 and 6, hence the name ;)?

I assume that's what they meant to achieve and probably managed to :D

This makes sense now.  It seems like HiFiMAN struggled to determine where the new HE-560 should sit in the lineup in terms of price/performance, figured it was going to be between the HE-500 and HE-6, and merged the two names. 

 

From that perspective, the HE-400i looks like it will eventually replace the HE-400.  

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