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post #1036 of 3090
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Originally Posted by senson View Post
 

I had opportunity to try 560 this evening also at AC Gears (Thanks for the event guys!!). I guess guys already know how comfortable it is so skipping that part.

I do not own HE-500 So I can't really get into detailed comparison between HE500 and HE560, but from my memory, I can say one thing that this one definitely has more bass.

To my ears it sounds like it doesn't sacrifice anything to get better. For example, IMO the new Audeze LCD-X lost LCD-2 and 3's syrupy lush sound a little bit to get more balanced clear sound which makes people like either LCD-X or LCD-3(I like both though:o).

He-560 still have ortho's lush, emotional sound with decent amount of detail. I got lush female vocal with strings behind pretty clearly.

 

I didn't listen to any music with strong treble(I am not really a treble lover anyway) so can't really describe it's treble.

 

Mid: it could be the differences caused by using different set-up there but HE-560's mid sounds more lively and up close compare to LCD-X.  I actually like HE-560's mid better than LCD-X's mid

Bass: pretty strong has tight impactful sound little less quantity compare to LCDs but tighter.

 

overall, to my ears it sounds like very lively detailed dynamic headphone sound + Ortho mid. Maybe it is weight that made me feels like I was wearing ortho headphone;;

 

I wish I had my own gear with HE-560 so I can get better comparison but M9 was too heavy for NYC subway :p

BTW when I said Dr. Fang that I am thinking about buying HE-6, he told me to wait for HE-560. Also I really like HM-820

Nice impression!  Considering I recently got to hear the LCD-X (still prefer the LCD-2/LCD-3 personally) this kind of helps put it in to perspective a little more...also, good news on the mids.  I can only imagine refinement getting better from these prototypes.  ::my wallet gently weeps::

:popcorn: 

post #1037 of 3090
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Originally Posted by senson View Post
 

I had opportunity to try 560 this evening also at AC Gears (Thanks for the event guys!!). I guess guys already know how comfortable it is so skipping that part.

I do not own HE-500 So I can't really get into detailed comparison between HE500 and HE560, but from my memory, I can say one thing that this one definitely has more bass.

To my ears it sounds like it doesn't sacrifice anything to get better. For example, IMO the new Audeze LCD-X lost LCD-2 and 3's syrupy lush sound a little bit to get more balanced clear sound which makes people like either LCD-X or LCD-3(I like both though:o).

He-560 still have ortho's lush, emotional sound with decent amount of detail. I got lush female vocal with strings behind pretty clearly.

 

I didn't listen to any music with strong treble(I am not really a treble lover anyway) so can't really describe it's treble.

 

Mid: it could be the differences caused by using different set-up there but HE-560's mid sounds more lively and up close compare to LCD-X.  I actually like HE-560's mid better than LCD-X's mid

Bass: pretty strong has tight impactful sound little less quantity compare to LCDs but tighter.

 

overall, to my ears it sounds like very lively detailed dynamic headphone sound + Ortho mid. Maybe it was the weight that made me feels like I was wearing dynamic headphone;;

 

I wish I had my own gear with HE-560 so I can get better comparison but M9 was too heavy for NYC subway :p

BTW when I said Dr. Fang that I am thinking about buying HE-6, he told me to wait for HE-560. Also I really like HM-820

 

That's a really encouraging sign ... fingers crossed! :atsmile:

post #1038 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Terja View Post

That's a really encouraging sign ... fingers crossed! atsmile.gif
Then again, it seems difficult to imagine Dr. Fang saying go ahead and buy the HE6, the new headphone isn't as good. Some intriguing impressions, hoping a reviewer can provide a comprehensive evaluation sometime soon.
post #1039 of 3090

At least it gives us a good impression of the SQ the good doctor is shooting for. Even if the HE-560 turns out have 95% of the HE-6 SQ (which I haven't yet had the pleasure of listening to) that would be a fantastic achievement with single-sided planar drivers. I have been thoroughly pleased with the HE-500 and if the HE-560 improves on that, man that would be something. Looking forward to demoing it.

post #1040 of 3090

+1 I am most interested in 500/560/6 impressions. I feel like it would be a mistake or let down to think this headphone is going to be better than the HE-6, but it would be a delightful surprise. Even meaningful improvements(in sound) to the 500 is pretty significant since some people already prefer the 500 to the 6.

post #1041 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Llloyd View Post
 

+1 I am most interested in 500/560/6 impressions. I feel like it would be a mistake or let down to think this headphone is going to be better than the HE-6, but it would be a delightful surprise. Even meaningful improvements(in sound) to the 500 is pretty significant since some people already prefer the 500 to the 6.

Same - it may not exactly measure as well, scale as well or be on a level plane with the HE-6 (possibly HE-500) in terms of ultimate SQ but considering the compromising being made with driver design and the benefits that come with the new drivers, primarily driveability, weight reduction and resonance reduction, plus new pads and headband design...sounds like some good compromises to me.  It's fun to speculate, but I think these new models will be a huge success because of those reasons alone, and I can't imagine them being less than among the top given Dr. Fang's track record.  Based on initial descriptions so far, it sounds just plain enjoyable to listen to which is what really matters (to me anyway).

post #1042 of 3090
There was a comment (on the 400 thread) a week ago from someone who was at CES and he asked HFM about the new headband. He was told it's a temporary solution because the headphones aren't finished yet, and the square design isn't likely the finished product. The weight of the headphones is accurate. The pictures at the start of this thread, the headband- do we really know if the headphones have a new headband?
Edited by Zuckfun - 1/23/14 at 9:55pm
post #1043 of 3090
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Originally Posted by kyuuketsuki View Post
 

 

From memory, yes, they had a more airy presentation to them. But I didn't have a HE500 to test against. They certainly were more airy than HE400s. 

More air than HE500??? If this is for real, 560 is not for me.

post #1044 of 3090
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Originally Posted by senson View Post
 

BTW when I said Dr. Fang that I am thinking about buying HE-6, he told me to wait for HE-560.

:D From the horse's mouth!

post #1045 of 3090
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

More air than HE500??? If this is for real, 560 is not for me.

 

?? do people find the 500 to be particularly airy?

post #1046 of 3090
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Originally Posted by Llloyd View Post
 

 

?? do people find the 500 to be particularly airy?

For my preference, HE500 is airy enough;  anymore could be crossing into "too much" territory.  When I tried out the HE500 and LCD2, I decided to go with the HE500 cuz to my ears HE500 has more air in the upper range than LCD2.  I am not sure about other people.

post #1047 of 3090
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

For my preference, HE500 is airy enough;  anymore could be crossing into "too much" territory.  When I tried out the HE500 and LCD2, I decided to go with the HE500 cuz to my ears HE500 has more air in the upper range than LCD2.  I am not sure about other people.

I wouldn't call HE500 airy, it IS sparkly enough (fairly neutral treble extension up to about 13kHz, the 10-13kHz constituting the "sparkle" aspect of music), but there is close to nothing past 14kHz, it just rolls off the hills.

 

And the area between 14kHz - 20kHz is where "air" is, it is too high frequency to be perceived as sparkle, but still audible and constitutes the background atmospheric / ambient cues.

 

Yes audio terminology is confusing.


Edited by jerg - 1/23/14 at 10:56pm
post #1048 of 3090
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

I wouldn't call HE500 airy, it IS sparkly enough (fairly neutral treble extension up to about 13kHz, the 10-13kHz constituting the "sparkle" aspect of music), but there is close to nothing past 14kHz, it just rolls off the hills.

 

And the area between 14kHz - 20kHz is where "air" is, it is too high frequency to be perceived as sparkle, but still audible and constitutes the background atmospheric / ambient cues.

Then again, my definition of "airy" is different than yours.  When I was in school for mixing/mastering, I was taught to give vocal more air by boosting at a much lower frequency(between 12-14k, very rarely pushed to 15k) than what you suggested.  IMO, I don't believe that I was taught incorrectly.


Edited by koiloco - 1/23/14 at 11:02pm
post #1049 of 3090
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Then again, my definition of "airy" is different than yours.  When I was in school for mixing/mastering, I was taught to give vocal more air by boosting at a much lower frequency(between 12-14k) than what you suggested.  IMO, I don't believe that I was taught incorrectly.

Yeah, I kind of think of air more as transparency...rather than treble. Though I do think that treble plays some part in it.

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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

I wouldn't call HE500 airy, it IS sparkly enough (fairly neutral treble extension up to about 13kHz, the 10-13kHz constituting the "sparkle" aspect of music), but there is close to nothing past 14kHz, it just rolls off the hills.

 

And the area between 14kHz - 20kHz is where "air" is, it is too high frequency to be perceived as sparkle, but still audible and constitutes the background atmospheric / ambient cues.

 

Yes audio terminology is confusing.


Wow, you're right. EQing the 14khz - 20khz area definitely add's more "air"


Edited by Nimzerz - 1/23/14 at 11:03pm
post #1050 of 3090
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

For my preference, HE500 is airy enough;  anymore could be crossing into "too much" territory.  When I tried out the HE500 and LCD2, I decided to go with the HE500 cuz to my ears HE500 has more air in the upper range than LCD2.  I am not sure about other people.

 

You've made "too much" restrictions for your preference.

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