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post #346 of 355
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post

No I haven't heard either.  Just going off the hundreds of posts read and trying to read between the lines.  What I think we know as fact that is NOT debatable.
  • W4 and certainly w40 has better textured bass than SE535.
  • W4/W40 has better extended treble than SE535
  • W4/W40 has better transparency than SE535.
  • Midrange is a preference between the two....a draw.
  • SE846 has the best bass of any universal IEM to date.
  • There is very little data and feedback about any improved treble or overall transparency or soundstage from SE535 to SE846 which leads most to believe that improvements with SE846 are all about the bass.

Based off reading the above bullet points and hearing that Westone has improved everything about W40 (knowing it was already better than SE535), if you put a gun to my head and said pick one...I'd probably choose the W60 thinking as a whole package, it may be the very best universal IEM ever made (based on what I hear out of W40).   For those that are bass heads or are big pop, rap and hip hop fans......without even hearing it I would say go ahead and buy SE846 instead.  Those people probably don't know what transparency even is.

I love your bullet points and your absolute assumption you are correct comparing the 535 to the W4r. So I guess all of us who owned both but preferred the 535 are just wrong and you are right. Wow thank you for setting me straight.

Please read the comment in the beginning of this article how the sales of the W4r were a disappointment to Westone.
http://www.headfonia.com/thoughts-on-the-ultimate-ears-ue900/
Edited by spook76 - 6/11/14 at 7:29pm
post #347 of 355
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post
 

No I haven't heard either.  Just going off the hundreds of posts read and trying to read between the lines.  What I think we know as fact that is NOT debatable.

 

  • W4 and certainly w40 has better textured bass than SE535.
  • W4/W40 has better extended treble than SE535
  • W4/W40 has better transparency than SE535.
  • Midrange is a preference between the two....a draw.
  • SE846 has the best bass of any universal IEM to date.
  • There is very little data and feedback about any improved treble or overall transparency or soundstage from SE535 to SE846 which leads most to believe that improvements with SE846 are all about the bass.

 

Based off reading the above bullet points and hearing that Westone has improved everything about W40 (knowing it was already better than SE535), if you put a gun to my head and said pick one...I'd probably choose the W60 thinking as a whole package, it may be the very best universal IEM ever made (based on what I hear out of W40).   For those that are bass heads or are big pop, rap and hip hop fans......without even hearing it I would say go ahead and buy SE846 instead.  Those people probably don't know what transparency even is.

Not here to argue but to discuss my experience. I like both companies and I have the: W3, W4, 535 and 846. The 846 has better and deeper bass than any of these models period. The 846 has better Mids than any of these and the 846 treble is as good as the W4 especially if I change the filter. Read the specs on the 846 and look how the treble is higher then any previous Shure models. Sound stage is much bigger on the 846 then any of the models I mentioned. I only state the earphones I have.

post #348 of 355
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Originally Posted by spook76 View Post


I love your bullet points and your absolute assumption you are correct comparing the 535 to the W4r. So I guess all of us who owned both but preferred the 535 are just wrong and you are right. Wow thank you for setting me straight.

Please read the comment in the beginning of this article how the sales of the W4r were a disappointment to Westone.
http://www.headfonia.com/thoughts-on-the-ultimate-ears-ue900/

Glad you like the bullet points.  It's okay if you prefer SE535.  I'm basing it off the specs not preference.   W4 is technically superior but doesn't mean a person is going to like it better.  I much prefer TF10 over UE900 by a HUGE margin.  W40 sort of reminds me of TF10 with a corrected midrange.  If I'm not mistaken I believe you think Shure has best midrange in the world (as many do) but it's not my cup of tea.  It's too forward and the singer is constantly shouting in my ears...just too fatiguing.

post #349 of 355
IMO, Shure mid range especially the SE535Ltd is very enticing. Very smooth and initimate. However, not the sort of "shouting in your face that kind of vocals". The W4R portrays mid range in another flavor on its own. It is more laid back as compared to SE535Ltd, but not recessed by any means. W4R portrays vocals in a much smoother and lush manner. Seemed like you're sited ~5th row of the hall. The "king" of mids for me is the ASG2. Slightly more forward than the SE535Ltd but in a much more lush manner. Timbre and details of the vocals are impeccable. IMO, both SE535Ltd and W4R are compliments to each other and are gems to keep.
post #350 of 355
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post
 

No I haven't heard either.  Just going off the hundreds of posts read and trying to read between the lines.  What I think we know as fact that is NOT debatable.

 

  • W4 and certainly w40 has better textured bass than SE535.
  • W4/W40 has better extended treble than SE535
  • W4/W40 has better transparency than SE535.
  • Midrange is a preference between the two....a draw.
  • SE846 has the best bass of any universal IEM to date.
  • There is very little data and feedback about any improved treble or overall transparency or soundstage from SE535 to SE846 which leads most to believe that improvements with SE846 are all about the bass.

 

Based off reading the above bullet points and hearing that Westone has improved everything about W40 (knowing it was already better than SE535), if you put a gun to my head and said pick one...I'd probably choose the W60 thinking as a whole package, it may be the very best universal IEM ever made (based on what I hear out of W40).   For those that are bass heads or are big pop, rap and hip hop fans......without even hearing it I would say go ahead and buy SE846 instead.  Those people probably don't know what transparency even is.

 

I find my Dita's have better bass than my SE846 with silver litz cable.  The Answers have good deep sub bass, not sloppy, very well controlled much more dynamic than the SE846. In fact since getting my Dita's I've used the 846's once; right now just to compare, and I am not enjoying them as much as I did before.  The Dita's also have a much more open airy soundstage.  Vocals are just as good as the Shures and instruments sound more true to life.  This is just imo. 

post #351 of 355
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I find my Dita's have better bass than my SE846 with silver litz cable.  The Answers have good deep sub bass, not sloppy, very well controlled much more dynamic than the SE846. In fact since getting my Dita's I've used the 846's once; right now just to compare, and I am not enjoying them as much as I did before.  The Dita's also have a much more open airy soundstage.  Vocals are just as good as the Shures and instruments sound more true to life.  This is just imo. 

Well it is a dynamic driver so of course more dynamic. So maybe you can say your Dita is one of the best Single dynamic driver you have heard. As for the 846 BA Driven earphone it is as close to a dynamic bass sound with the clear and detail of BA Drivers. On tracks that calls for bass I mean pounding rolling balls of bass engulfing and hitting your head the 846 bass is a lot more intense then the Dita.

post #352 of 355
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Originally Posted by hertzsogood View Post
 

Well it is a dynamic driver so of course more dynamic. So maybe you can say your Dita is one of the best Single dynamic driver you have heard. As for the 846 BA Driven earphone it is as close to a dynamic bass sound with the clear and detail of BA Drivers. On tracks that calls for bass I mean pounding rolling balls of bass engulfing and hitting your head the 846 bass is a lot more intense then the Dita.

Have you heard the bass on the Dita's to compare?  Just curious as the Dita's do have very powerful bass when called for... I also own the SE846, and compared them back to back.

 

That being said I don't listen to rap or dance.  


Edited by Dave74 - 6/13/14 at 9:08am
post #353 of 355
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Originally Posted by Dave74 View Post
 

Have you heard the bass on the Dita's to compare?  Just curious as the Dita's do have very powerful bass when called for... I also own the SE846, and compared them back to back.

Yes I have many times due to the shop owner is a friend. Yes a 10 mm Dynamic driver similar one in the Merlin, Ultimate ear 5 EB has good deep bass. I will add this being a Westone thread Westone earphones have good bass as well but of course for a BA Driven earphone.

post #354 of 355
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Originally Posted by hertzsogood View Post
 

Yes I have many times due to the shop owner is a friend. Yes a 10 mm Dynamic driver similar one in the Merlin, Ultimate ear 5 EB has good deep bass. I will add this being a Westone thread Westone earphones have good bass as well but of course for a BA Driven earphone.

I do realize that this is a Westone thread, however, I only posted this since someone said the SE846 has the BEST bass in any universal IEM.  Personally, I just didn't agree with that.  But I do find that the SE846 has VERY good bass for a BA iem.  I also really do like the bass in my W40 when pair with the X5LO>Pico Slim, I find adding the Slim helps with the low end on the W40's.

post #355 of 355
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post
 

W4 versus W40:  W40 truly adds about 15-20% more bass.  A really nice treat.  But soundstage is a bit closer in.  Not claustrophobic like UM3X but quite intimate.  Soft extended treble and great transparency are traits that have always had the W4/40 a better choice over SE535 for many.  If you took W40 and...

  • made soundstage a bit larger
  • got rid of the lower mid bass cloudiness/veil
  • added a very subtle and slight sub bass effect

 

you would have pure perfection.

 

 

The fa 4e xb already do these among other things including extended brighter treble, more detail and transparency, better separation and bass reach deeper with better texture (more dynamic feeling). Soundstage is larger and not only a bit but maybe mids are a bit cold for your taste.

Just got my w40 yesterday and I'm liking them though.

Of course differences are not night and day w40 are very good
 

Edited by Kurdt-bada - 6/17/14 at 9:10am
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