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post #331 of 582
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post

Not that $1,000 IEM's cater to the masses but it would seem like Shure went for the commercially more appealing "change" and/or a wow factor.

Westone took a sensational quad driver and inarguably made it even better.  Hard to fathom double the cost though.  Perhaps $600 would seem more fitting but then, again, its competing against SE846 which was twice as good as SE535 but W60 is only somewhat better than W40.
Totally my sentiments too!
post #332 of 582
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Originally Posted by ubercaffeinated View Post
 

 

Eh, I'd take his comment with a grain of salt. I've noticed a lot of criticism coming from people who are biased one way or another. This thread is supposed to be about the W50 and W60, and it is definitely not a place to be putting down the company itself based on speculation however much it is his professional opinion, because it has nothing to do with how the W50 and W60 performs.

 

But since innovation was brought up, IMO Westone hasn't stopped innovating since 2011. Since then, they've come out with two new sets of IEM tips that are well regarded here and was sorely needed on the scene (how many SE846 users are using the Star tips?). Also they revamped their entire line of professional and personal universal IEMs. And really, what does it mean to call something "just an upgrade from the W4". Are we really forgetting how insanely good the W4 is to begin with? Finally, it's pretty thoughtless to say that Westone's response to the SE846 was merely a cosmetic user changeable faceplate - unless I am mistaken, the SE846 still only has 4 drivers... which was done first by Westone back in... 2011. Sure, you can change the filters of the SE846 all you want, but it still won't give you two extra drivers on each side.

 

But I'll stop there, because I know the SE846 is great from what I've read, but I don't own it and haven't heard it, so I can't comment on it. What I can say is that I know for a fact the W60 is good, and I'm pretty sure Spyro, who has heard both and has great ears when it comes to these things, is saying that both are good as well, albeit in different ways. 

 

I feel that Westone decided to stick to their guns and keep their house sound which they are known for, and improve on it. None of that, "let's try to please everyone with different filters" approach. They are catering to their fans in that respect and if they had changed it, I would have returned the W60 on the spot. I agree, the user changeable faceplates are gimmicky, but I'm here for the sound and it is solid. The build of the IEM is great as well. I also appreciate the fact they kept the braided EPIC cables, but did away with the wire guided plastic that was on the W4R - that shows they listed to feedback from their fans. I personally think Westone should have made the W60 only, and priced the thing to undercut the SE846, and skipped the W50 all together. That way consumers would have an interesting breakdown of price points for Westone, Shure, and JH, instead of this artificial price point of $1k (that I blame the k3003 for). But flagships are flagships, and people go with one or the other based on the sound signature they like. If you don't agree with the sound, thats fine, but it doesn't mean the IEM is ****ty or the company is destined for mediocrity.

 

And if you haven't heard the IEM at all, I'm pretty sure you aren't supposed to be posting inflammatory comments regarding it, let alone the company, based on your perception of what other people have written. Sorry for the ramble, but acquisition or not, I don't see doom and gloom for Westone any time soon. I hope I haven't offended anyone, especially not Spook76.

Hey, I agreed with you on that Westone was still doing great since 2011. 

The last post, I just wanted to express that it was really a huge pity if Westone was ruined because of some "ugly reasons".

 

I do have um pro 50 and tried shure 846 and w50 several time.

I don't think you need to make the assumption that everyone is evil....

post #333 of 582
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post
 

Not that $1,000 IEM's cater to the masses but it would seem like Shure went for the commercially more appealing "change" and/or a wow factor.

 

Westone took a sensational quad driver and inarguably made it even better.  Hard to fathom double the cost though.  Perhaps $600 would seem more fitting but then, again, its competing against SE846 which was twice as good as SE535 but W60 is only somewhat better than W40.

 

The Shure SE846 is 3 IEM's for the price of 1. Then there is also a subwoofer in it. Also every area of the Shure SE535 is improved. It's a major technical evolution. 

 

Stuffing more drivers in an IEM is what I consider a commercial change without it even being necessary. 


Edited by ubs28 - 6/9/14 at 4:27am
post #334 of 582
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Originally Posted by michaelfong View Post
 

Hey, I agreed with you on that Westone was still doing great since 2011. 

The last post, I just wanted to express that it was really a huge pity if Westone was ruined because of some "ugly reasons".

 

I do have um pro 50 and tried shure 846 and w50 several time.

I don't think you need to make the assumption that everyone is evil....

 

I wasn't referring to you :tongue_smile:

post #335 of 582
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Originally Posted by ubs28 View Post
 

 

The Shure SE846 is 3 IEM's for the price of 1. Then there is also a subwoofer in it. Also every area of the Shure SE535 is improved. It's a major technical evolution. 

 

Stuffing more drivers in an IEM is what I consider a commercial change without it even being necessary. 

 

With the different faceplate covers, so is the Westone.  Too funny....

 

The SE535 definitely needed fixing.  The treble roll-off sorely compensated by a peaky upper mid range....and a weakly textured bass.  

 

Unless I missed something, 85% of the rage over SE846 is about the big bass.  Think of Beats, think of the masses, think of the loudness wars, think of commercialism....it's all about bass and bass is the easiest thing to market and Shure capitalized on this.  Like screw the treble and transparency  "Give the SE535 a subwoofer and double the price....buyers will come."   Westone took a different approach not only improving on the bass (again) but also taking the transparency and detail to yet another level!  As far as transparency and detail I am guessing even the lowly (lol!) W40 is superior to SE846 let alone W60.


Edited by Spyro - 6/10/14 at 9:19pm
post #336 of 582
Comparing 846 to beats? I am going out on a limb and guessing you have not heard the 846 or the w60.
Edited by M Coupe - 6/10/14 at 10:06pm
post #337 of 582

comparing the 846 to beats?seriously?I thought this forum was better than that!

post #338 of 582
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post

With the different faceplate covers, so is the Westone.  Too funny....

The SE535 definitely needed fixing.  The treble roll-off sorely compensated by a peaky upper mid range....and a weakly textured bass.  

Unless I missed something, 85% of the rage over SE846 is about the big bass.  Think of Beats, think of the masses, think of the loudness wars, think of commercialism....it's all about bass and bass is the easiest thing to market and Shure capitalized on this.  Like screw the treble and transparency  "Give the SE535 a subwoofer and double the price....buyers will come."   Westone took a different approach not only improving on the bass (again) but also taking the transparency and detail to yet another level!  As far as transparency and detail I am guessing even the lowly (lol!) W40 is superior to SE846 let alone W60.
I think this is a very good post and adds a lot to the debate.
The se846 may be a bit of a one trick pony. The trick however blows your mind and is stunning with particular genres of music.
post #339 of 582
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post
 

 

With the different faceplate covers, so is the Westone.  Too funny....

 

The SE535 definitely needed fixing.  The treble roll-off sorely compensated by a peaky upper mid range....and a weakly textured bass.  

 

Unless I missed something, 85% of the rage over SE846 is about the big bass.  Think of Beats, think of the masses, think of the loudness wars, think of commercialism....it's all about bass and bass is the easiest thing to market and Shure capitalized on this.  Like screw the treble and transparency  "Give the SE535 a subwoofer and double the price....buyers will come."   Westone took a different approach not only improving on the bass (again) but also taking the transparency and detail to yet another level!  As far as transparency and detail I am guessing even the lowly (lol!) W40 is superior to SE846 let alone W60.

I dont think thats correct but if you believe that well Fitear falls into your negative view of the 846. For a BA Driver Shure did very well with the 846 and it can make any style of music shine. I am not saying that Westone cant because I like Westone a lot. I dont want Westone to do what Shure does I want each to have their own philosophy.

post #340 of 582
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post
 

 

With the different faceplate covers, so is the Westone.  Too funny....

 

The SE535 definitely needed fixing.  The treble roll-off sorely compensated by a peaky upper mid range....and a weakly textured bass.  

 

Unless I missed something, 85% of the rage over SE846 is about the big bass.  Think of Beats, think of the masses, think of the loudness wars, think of commercialism....it's all about bass and bass is the easiest thing to market and Shure capitalized on this.  Like screw the treble and transparency  "Give the SE535 a subwoofer and double the price....buyers will come."   Westone took a different approach not only improving on the bass (again) but also taking the transparency and detail to yet another level!  As far as transparency and detail I am guessing even the lowly (lol!) W40 is superior to SE846 let alone W60.

 

 
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Originally Posted by daviemcc View Post


I think this is a very good post and adds a lot to the debate.
The se846 may be a bit of a one trick pony. The trick however blows your mind and is stunning with particular genres of music.
 
 
Quite obvious you guys don't own the Shure SE846 as those statements are not true.

Edited by ubs28 - 6/11/14 at 1:56pm
post #341 of 582
I've heard the 846. Not for a very long time though. But to me they don't sound to be a 500 dollar jump from the se 535. Better?? Yes. Not that much better. Except for the bass.. And like I said not 500. More. Imo. I've owned now three pairs of the 535. Guess I like them Lol the ones I own now are the 535 red Ltd Ed. Which seemed to solve the bass and treble of the se 535. I'm sorry but I'm not to sure what these companies are trying to do by selling products that cost twice as much as their totl models without twice as much upgrade. I LOVE A this hobby but they priced me rite out of it. Guess I'll have to be happy with my half price of totl iems.. frown.gif this is just my opinion of course. Happy listening.
post #342 of 582
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Originally Posted by pacman46 View Post

I've heard the 846. Not for a very long time though. But to me they don't sound to be a 500 dollar jump from the se 535. Better?? Yes. Not that much better. Except for the bass.. And like I said not 500. More. Imo. I've owned now three pairs of the 535. Guess I like them Lol the ones I own now are the 535 red Ltd Ed. Which seemed to solve the bass and treble of the se 535. I'm sorry but I'm not to sure what these companies are trying to do by selling products that cost twice as much as their totl models without twice as much upgrade. I LOVE A this hobby but they priced me rite out of it. Guess I'll have to be happy with my half price of totl iems.. frown.gif this is just my opinion of course. Happy listening.

This is a philosophy that I have yet to understand - a company comes out with a high priced TOTL flagship, using cutting edge technology that has yet to be included anywhere else in their lineup (6+ drivers - sub bass porting, etc...) but haven't discontinued any of their other products, and in some cases have upgraded those existing products so that they have superior performance while keeping the pricing static - This company has somehow priced buyers out of the market...

 

It boggles the mind.

post #343 of 582
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Originally Posted by Ivabign View Post

This is a philosophy that I have yet to understand - a company comes out with a high priced TOTL flagship, using cutting edge technology that has yet to be included anywhere else in their lineup (6+ drivers - sub bass porting, etc...) but haven't discontinued any of their other products, and in some cases have upgraded those existing products so that they have superior performance while keeping the pricing static - This company has somehow priced buyers out of the market...

It boggles the mind.
I totally agree.
post #344 of 582
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Originally Posted by pacman46 View Post


I totally agree.

Well their 4 driver is being compared to 8 drivers so that say a lot. Top reciewers even said they rate the 4 driver universal over the 8 driver custom. Maybe wait a year and see if the lower priced models gets a upgrade.

post #345 of 582

No I haven't heard either.  Just going off the hundreds of posts read and trying to read between the lines.  What I think we know as fact that is NOT debatable.

 

  • W4 and certainly w40 has better textured bass than SE535.
  • W4/W40 has better extended treble than SE535
  • W4/W40 has better transparency than SE535.
  • Midrange is a preference between the two....a draw.
  • SE846 has the best bass of any universal IEM to date.
  • There is very little data and feedback about any improved treble or overall transparency or soundstage from SE535 to SE846 which leads most to believe that improvements with SE846 are all about the bass.

 

Based off reading the above bullet points and hearing that Westone has improved everything about W40 (knowing it was already better than SE535), if you put a gun to my head and said pick one...I'd probably choose the W60 thinking as a whole package, it may be the very best universal IEM ever made (based on what I hear out of W40).   For those that are bass heads or are big pop, rap and hip hop fans......without even hearing it I would say go ahead and buy SE846 instead.  Those people probably don't know what transparency even is.

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