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post #286 of 582
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Originally Posted by davidcotton View Post

 


I imagine that you would have more luck experimenting with the different tips that are in the box than burn in.

 

I tried the different supplied tips, as well as a few different sets of old Shure tips I had packed away in a box from 8 or 9 years ago.

 

So far no luck. I traded the exaggerated mids of the Cardas' for the somewhat exaggerated lows (for my ears) of the Westones. The W50's don't seem to me to live up to the balanced sound that was advertised in many places (at least what I consider balanced).

 

I just ordered a pair of Grado GR10's & will be A/B'ing the 2 pairs this weekend to see which ones get to stay.

post #287 of 582

If you find them too dark, use short silicon tips. Long silicon tips are darker than short ones. But short foam tips are darker than long silicon, and long foam tips are darker again than short foam. I don't have experience with star tips though.


Edited by T.R.A.N.C.E. - 5/21/14 at 12:40am
post #288 of 582
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Originally Posted by T.R.A.N.C.E. View Post
 

If you find them too dark, use short silicon tips. Long silicon tips are darker than short ones. But short foam tips are darker than long silicon, and long foam tips are darker again than short foam. I don't have experience with star tips though.

 

Unfortunately I need the larger diameter tips & they don't have them in shorter lengths. Do tips from anyone other than Shure fit on the Westones?

post #289 of 582
Have you considered trimming them yourself? Otherwise, the nozzle is 2.5mm IIRC, a couple of manufacturers use that size.
post #290 of 582
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Originally Posted by jbr1971 View Post
 

 

I tried the different supplied tips, as well as a few different sets of old Shure tips I had packed away in a box from 8 or 9 years ago.

 

So far no luck. I traded the exaggerated mids of the Cardas' for the somewhat exaggerated lows (for my ears) of the Westones. The W50's don't seem to me to live up to the balanced sound that was advertised in many places (at least what I consider balanced).

 

I just ordered a pair of Grado GR10's & will be A/B'ing the 2 pairs this weekend to see which ones get to stay.

Hi jbr1971, do update/share the changes (if any) after your burn in on the W50 as I'm considering between the W50 and W60.

 

My W60 First Impressions

Just went down to audition the W60 and immediately noticed more of the mids and highs along with the powerful and a tad cleaner lows compared to the W50. The bass has a tight and agile feel to it as well. It's basically the W40's clean and tight bass with bigger quantity.

 

Noticed how well defined the snare drums can get, which basically surpassed both the W50 and um 50 pro. By define i mean whenever a drummer slams the drumsticks onto the snare drums, the drumsticks would re-bounce and re-hit the snare drum a couple of times (due to the law of physics) with each hit having lesser impact/softer till the sticks eventually rests on the snare drums or the drummer retrieves it. These noises caused by the "re-bounce(s)" aren't really present in the W50 and the um 50 pro making it sound as if a gust of wind is "swoooshing" everytime the drummer slams the drum on the snare drum (similar to a motion blur effect), while in the W60, these subtle nuances are really present and can be obviously heard. This is the song which i played during my audition, which i compared between the W60, W50 and um 50 pro:

(Snare drums starts to kick in at 1:52 of the track)

 

 

 

The W60 (personal opinion) is the middlemen of the W50 and UM 50 PRO.

 

It has:

  • Wider Soundstage (compared to the um 50 pro)
  • Cleaner and Tighter bass by a small margin a.k.a W40 quality (compared to the W50)
  • Beautiful Buttery Violin Moans (more than the W50 but slightly lesser than the um 50 pro). This should basically mean that the mids and highs are much more thicker than the W50. It also helps to boost the overall musicality of the song, though i still feel that the um 50 pro has the best musicality experience. (hate the enclosed sound stage of the um50pro though)
  • Sounds more musical thanks to the more present mids and highs (compared to the w50, the um 50 pro still feels the most musical of the bunch though as the mids and highs are not only present, their much more forward sounding. I'm guessing if the um 50 pro had a slightly more open soundstage the mids and highs will be equivalent to the W60's)

 

Also for the um 50 pro, i have to agree with the others that their slightly more open sounding than the um 30 pro, especially when I listened to the song above. The singer was basically centered and in my head, while the other instruments were surrounding just right outside of my head. Did enjoyed the muscality of it but I'm not sure if i would regret like what i did when i first bought my um 30 pro a year ago due to the in-your-head kindda feel which made me feel a little claustrophobic. (Couldn't resist that clean sound signature though, guess i bought on impulse)


Edited by Kepller - 5/21/14 at 11:58am
post #291 of 582

Thanks T.R.A.N.C.E. for letting me know about the various signatures.

 

I'm listening with shorter Shure silicone tips right now & it is a bit better. Now to see if the sound grows on me & how different the Grados are when I get them tomorrow.

 


Kepller, they are up to ~14-15 hours on burn-in, but from what I have read BA IEMs don't really benefit from burn-in, it is more with dynamic IEMs.

 

Interesting to hear about the differences between the W50 & 60. Unfortunately I already spent more than I probably should have for the W50's, so another $250 may be a bit too much. I would definitely have to be able to audition them first, not doing a blind purchase for that much.

 

I like the quality of the bass on the W50's, it is just too forward for me. Hopefully I can find or modify tips that can tame it back a bit.

post #292 of 582
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Hi all,



 



I am new to this thread. I received my W50's this afternoon from Amazon.



 



Out of the box I find the same as the others that have listened to them, the sound is a touch on the "dark" side with the high end being lower than I would prefer.



 



I am currently burning them in hoping that will open them up a bit.



 



As this is my first set of Westone's I am wondering if burn-in periods are required as much as with some other IEMs. If so, how long?



 



Thanks.



 



 



Edit: I found some interesting threads & articles about BA IEM burn-in being a "myth". Letting them finish running over night won't hurt at least. I'll definitely get a lot of listening time in this weekend to decide whether I like them or need to return them.


 



I imagine that you would have more luck experimenting with the different tips that are in the box than burn in.
I think with BA iems it's more a brain burn in then the iem actually breaking in. Listen for a week kinda thing or even a couple days and you will find that you will like them a lot more. I know with my ck10"s that was the case. At first I didn't really like them and now they are one of my favorate iem.
post #293 of 582
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Originally Posted by pacman46 View Post


I think with BA iems it's more a brain burn in then the iem actually breaking in. Listen for a week kinda thing or even a couple days and you will find that you will like them a lot more. I know with my ck10"s that was the case. At first I didn't really like them and now they are one of my favorate iem.

 

No, just got to a shop and test out the burnt in demo, buy a pair and immediately compare them (se846 in my case), there are huge differences in the clarity, then go back and compare them after burn in. Having said that, almost all audible difference I can differentiate happens in the first 10 hours or so, so the 200-1000 hour is probably parts getting worn out (diaphragm etc).

post #294 of 582
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No, just got to a shop and test out the burnt in demo, buy a pair and immediately compare them (se846 in my case), there are huge differences in the clarity, then go back and compare them after burn in. Having said that, almost all audible difference I can differentiate happens in the first 10 hours or so, so the 200-1000 hour is probably parts getting worn out (diaphragm etc).
I didn't realize that BA's had a diaphragm ?
post #295 of 582
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I didn't realize that BA's had a diaphragm ?

 

Open up google, and search "balanced armature driver" look at the pictures.

post #296 of 582
If anyone's interested, I went back to the stop to buy some stuff and demo the w60 again today, sounded much clearer, still has a slight muffle on the highs, overall the impression still stands, basically a more detail, soundstage and much more bass version of the w4r. Not my cup of tea at the moment.
post #297 of 582
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Originally Posted by milford30 View Post

If anyone's interested, I went back to the stop to buy some stuff and demo the w60 again today, sounded much clearer, still has a slight muffle on the highs, overall the impression still stands, basically a more detail, soundstage and much more bass version of the w4r. Not my cup of tea at the moment.
 

Nice! Great to see i'm not the only one who thinks the bass quality is fairly similar to the w4/w40 with increased quantity


Edited by Kepller - 5/22/14 at 9:23am
post #298 of 582
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Originally Posted by Kepller View Post
 

Nice! Great to see i'm not the only one who thinks the bass quality is fairly similar to the w4/w40 with increased quantity

 

Really depends on what you mean, what I mean is that there is more subass mostly i.e more impact in the drums

 

Edit: apart from that I would say the sound is similar, with the w60 bass sounding louder


Edited by milford30 - 5/22/14 at 10:11am
post #299 of 582

Has anyone auditioned both W50 and W60? Heard that they have quite different sound signature.


Edited by yilun - 5/22/14 at 9:56am
post #300 of 582
To me, the W60 bass quantity is similar, but lo, lo-mids, mids, quality and detail are much better than the W4. The detail in those freqs is amazing and special to listen to... as amazing as the subs are on the 846. The sub lows maybe not be quite as deep... but everything above that is much more detailed. You can notice notes on low/mid freqs that just sound like great sub on the 846, comparitively.

The high end is also much better than W4 and 846. So smooth, but seems to extend beyond either.

The Westones I've had are notorious for being very dependent on ear tips to get the best out of 'em. The W60 is no different. It does sound better than the W4 using standard single, double, triple flange tips. But I've said this before, and I'll say it again for the W60. To really hear all the W60 has to offer, you need to make the EarPortz tips work for you. Westone, W60, and EarPortz are a match made in heaven. It seems as though the more open you can keep Westones' output directly to your ear drum, the Westones keep increasingly showing their strengths. So the widest bore eartip you can get comfortable with is most desirable. With EarPortz, the W60 is capable of very closely matching the low end oomph! of the 846, but the W60 is leaps and bounds ahead of W4 and 846 throughout the frequency range when it comes to detail and quality. Westone has done it again for me. They kept the buttery, sweet mids of the W4, and the overall "Westone sound" signature... but bumped it up a few notches in the quality of sound. This is much more to my liking than my 846. I'll probably be keeping both, because the low end thump on the 846, along with the pushed high mids, are fun to listen to sometimes. But for range, quality, tone, and detail... the W60 is the winner for me.
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