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Originally Posted by nOtEcH View Post

I am thinking more and more about IEM's and CIEM's while "on the go" with the Hugo.. the HD800's are great at home and some times in the office (depending on the project I'm working on) and the T5P's are better while "out and about" and when I or people around me want's silence.. but they take up too much space if I decide to take them off to do other things. If I'm treveling I would like to have my iPad Mini, the Hugo, chargers, and.. something small to transfer the best possible sound to my brain, in a small as possible messenger bag.. only problem is that my ear hurts with earplugs.. and I love my HD800's.. and want that kind of sound, soundstage ++.. maybe smaller closed headphones could work, but.. the T5P is not good enough.. and the DT1350 are even worse (to me anyway).. so what should do? Any suggestions?

Closest IEM I heard similar to the HD800 tonality wise is the AKG 3003i. They sound so alike. If you want an IEM that resemble full size headphones, I fully recommend 1p2 that sound similar to AKg3003 & has a greater depth and deeper bass. The 1p2 sound stage is pretty amazing as it really sound out of your head.

 

These IEMs will beat any close headphones hands down when traveling in trains, buses & especially on the plane as they isolate better retaining much of the bass that would otherwise loss by the surrounding noise. I have no experience with CIEM so far. IEM with comply foams like the TS500 isolate so well in my 1p2 that I cannot hear anyone except when I see their mouth move. I can't even hear any sound when I rub my fingers right next to my ears with comply tip.

 

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Not to derail the thread with more isolation stuff but, both of these iems are known with their lack of isolation, vented designs. Also, he stated that universal iems disturb him, so suggesting ciems would be better choice I think. Apart from ear raping insertion style Ety iems, I don't think universals can match with ciems isolation levels.

post #273 of 515
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Originally Posted by x838nwy View Post

And I just want to share: I had a moment of clarity earlier today. This hobby sure doesn't make a whole lot of sense, so why am I trying to justify any purchase? The only qualifiers should be a.) Can I sensibly afford it and b.) Will I enjoy using/owning it.... just a thought.

 

If you try to justify each purchase, you only end up upgrading your compromises later.

 

The sensible thing is to buy what you want and only after you've done your homework and become knowlegeable on the subject and what you want out of it.  Spontaneous purchases based on emotional appeal are also prone to subsequent upgrade.  Also you have to decide what is sufficiently satisfying to you, or else you'll end up chasing after every new product promising that little bit of extra audiophilic quality or capability.

 

Just trying to save you riding the upgraditis carousel...  :wink:

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Originally Posted by Mython View Post


LOL!

Wouldn't we all?!

You're a grown up? wink.gif
I know I put my head on the block for anyone to swing the axe.. but anyway.. that is why I hesitate going down "the CIEM road".. afraid that I might miss.. both with sound and comfort (as in pain).. and the best out there does not cost just $50.. and no places around here has got the very best out there, so I am left with what I can find in writing out here on the internet.. and people say a lot of b... s... yeah.. that's why I hesitate..
post #275 of 515
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You're a grown up? wink.gif
I know I put my head on the block for anyone to swing the axe.. but anyway.. that is why I hesitate going down "the CIEM road".. afraid that I might miss.. both with sound and comfort (as in pain).. and the best out there does not cost just $50.. and no places around here has got the very best out there, so I am left with what I can find in writing out here on the internet.. and people say a lot of b... s... yeah.. that's why I hesitate..

 

No, I wasn't having a joke at your expense, it was more from the standpoint that I have 'suffered' with the expense of buying several different pairs of CIEMs, even though I was very careful each time I chose.     Even after very careful choosing, I still did not find one that entirely suited my tastes (although the UM Miracle came quite close).

post #276 of 515
Thanks everyone. I understand that I have to do some "homework" and read up..

I guess also it would be wise to try out the Hugo first and be familiar with that sound before I try to find the perfect match.. but CIEM's is the way to go I guess, for traveling. Yeah.. but first the Hugo.. late February my dealer told me.. around the 30. even though February only has 28 days this year.. so I guess it might be early Mars before I get my hands on it.. When will you guys get it?
post #277 of 515
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No, I wasn't having a joke at your expense, it was more from the standpoint that I have 'suffered' with the expense of buying several different pairs of CIEMs, even though I was very careful each time I chose.     Even after very careful choosing, I still did not find one that entirely suited my tastes (although the UM Miracle came quite close).

And I guess I started the joke at my own expense.. this audiophile disease ain't got a cheap cure.. wink.gif
post #278 of 515
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Thanks everyone. I understand that I have to do some "homework" and read up..

I guess also it would be wise to try out the Hugo first and be familiar with that sound before I try to find the perfect match.. but CIEM's is the way to go I guess, for traveling. Yeah.. but first the Hugo.. late February my dealer told me.. around the 30. even though February only has 28 days this year.. so I guess it might be early Mars before I get my hands on it.. When will you guys get it?

 

 

The single biggest factor (which AmberOzL did allude to) is that if you enjoy the large 'outside-the-head' soundstage of fullsize cans like the HD800, you may be disappointed with IEMs or CIEMs. Therefore you should only consider buying a pair if you are willing to accept that compromise. People do say the 1-plus-2 has a reasonable soundstage (and, to some degree, also the UM Merlin), but without the benefit of the outer portion of the ear, the psychoacoustics will always be compromised to some degree with any transducer that bypasses the outer portion of the ear and instead begins in the ear canal.

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Originally Posted by Mython View Post


The single biggest factor (which AmberOzL did allude to) is that if you enjoy the large 'outside-the-head' soundstage of fullsize cans like the HD800, you may be disappointed with IEMs or CIEMs. Therefore you should only consider buying a pair if you are willing to accept that compromise. People do say the 1-plus-2 has a reasonable soundstage (and, to some degree, also the UM Merlin), but without the benefit of the outer portion of the ear, the psychoacoustics will always be compromised to some degree with any transducer that bypasses the outer portion of the ear and instead begins in the ear canal.

I read that somewhere.. but I am hoping that the psychoacustic filter in the Hugo could change that a bit.. hoping anyway.. :-)
I guess that I can trade the soundstage for more isolation anyway.. HD800 on a plane? *LOL* Even T5P "does'nt work" on a plane without destroying your ears.. not possible to enjoy music at all.. so yes, I am willing to do some trade-off's to be able to enjoy music when other "tools" doesn't work.
post #280 of 515
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Originally Posted by jacal01 View Post

If you try to justify each purchase, you only end up upgrading your compromises later.

The sensible thing is to buy what you want and only after you've done your homework and become knowlegeable on the subject and what you want out of it.  Spontaneous purchases based on emotional appeal are also prone to subsequent upgrade.  Also you have to decide what is sufficiently satisfying to you, or else you'll end up chasing after every new product promising that little bit of extra audiophilic quality or capability.

Just trying to save you riding the upgraditis carousel...  wink.gif

I think you said what i meant, only better.
Yeah, i think we've all been there with impulse/emotional buys - i try to limit mine to like once a month and <$150 - i research a hell out of a thing before buying always. And the rather frustrating thing about the Hugo is that there's not a lot to go on in some respects. It's such a different product to anything else that i think it both versatile and confusing at the same time.
I don't think anyone doubts the fpga dac and the amp section shouldn't be too shabby. But a hands-on video would be nice.... Or may be i'll get my fat ***** munkong gadget this weekend...
post #281 of 515
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Originally Posted by nOtEcH View Post


I read that somewhere.. but I am hoping that the psychoacustic filter in the Hugo could change that a bit.. hoping anyway.. :-)
I guess that I can trade the soundstage for more isolation anyway.. HD800 on a plane? *LOL* Even T5P "does'nt work" on a plane without destroying your ears.. not possible to enjoy music at all.. so yes, I am willing to do some trade-off's to be able to enjoy music when other "tools" doesn't work.

 

Yes, I can attest to the fact that whenever I wear custom-moulded IEMs in the hustle and bustle of the city, it does put a grin on my face, every time, because the isolation is just wonderful. I can enjoy my music and barely hear a thing from outside. Brilliant! :biggrin:

 

 

By the way, some CIEMs do have a large soundstage, but it's just not as outside the head as cans. I realise that sounds paradoxical and illogical, and I admit it is very difficult to describe.  Vocals tend to sound inside the head, but stuff like acoustic guitar can sometimes sound substantially at a distance, to the left or right of the head.

 

 

I'm as curious as you are, to hear what the 'psychoacoustic filter' of the Hugo does, to one's subjective experience of the music. Chord are not amateurs, so although, on the one hand,  I'm not going to expect too much, neither am I going to assume that the filter will be ineffective.  I often use the Cowon J3s DSP functions to expand the soundstage a bit, but they are quite crude.


Edited by Mython - 1/23/14 at 5:29pm
post #282 of 515
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The single biggest factor (which AmberOzL did allude to) is that if you enjoy the large 'outside-the-head' soundstage of fullsize cans like the HD800, you may be disappointed with IEMs or CIEMs. Therefore you should only consider buying a pair if you are willing to accept that compromise. People do say the 1-plus-2 has a reasonable soundstage (and, to some degree, also the UM Merlin), but without the benefit of the outer portion of the ear, the psychoacoustics will always be compromised to some degree with any transducer that bypasses the outer portion of the ear and instead begins in the ear canal.

 

I actually asked someone who works in the music industry & is a Customer what he thought of K-10' v HD-800... his thoughts were interesting.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/684787/noble-audio-the-wizard-returns/1080

 

I very much doubt if any totl headphone will sound bad with the Hugo... probably the reverse, the Hugo will bring out the best in the headphone, which actually will bode well for those who own £150+ ones... a good source tends to bring out the best in what your using.


Edited by OK-Guy - 1/23/14 at 5:47pm
post #283 of 515

Lots of you asking what to use as a streamer ... I'm thinking I'll try CAPS server computer to begin to ensure I get the best sound, and if that works well, then perhaps a small notebook. I just don't know of anyone who makes a small, portable streamer with full 24/192 let alone DSD that's not PCM converted. Perhaps in 6 months that will change...until then, I'm off to read up at Computer Audiophile to build a decent music server.

 

Would be nice if A&K used their new 240 as a basis to make a player-only model with digital out and no AMP/DAC...that would be ideal, but I doubt anyone will, since most people want an all-in-one. It's really up to Chord to do this: matching chassis to the Hugo, 512 GB capacity with an SD card, full native DSD, upgradable firmware and perhaps networking ability to download high res music via Bluetooth. I'm sure people would pay $1,500+ for the right device, built to Chord's high standard.

post #284 of 515
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Originally Posted by Lornecherry View Post

Lots of you asking what to use as a streamer ... I'm thinking I'll try CAPS server computer to begin to ensure I get the best sound, and if that works well, then perhaps a small notebook. I just don't know of anyone who makes a small, portable streamer with full 24/192 let alone DSD that's not PCM converted. Perhaps in 6 months that will change...until then, I'm off to read up at Computer Audiophile to build a decent music server.

Would be nice if A&K used their new 240 as a basis to make a player-only model with digital out and no AMP/DAC...that would be ideal, but I doubt anyone will, since most people want an all-in-one. It's really up to Chord to do this: matching chassis to the Hugo, 512 GB capacity with an SD card, full native DSD, upgradable firmware and perhaps networking ability to download high res music via Bluetooth. I'm sure people would pay $1,500+ for the right device, built to Chord's high standard.

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post #285 of 515
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post

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...back to the Hugo, for those of you who have actually ordered this device, already, may I ask what 'transport' device you actually intend to feed the Hugo with?

 



AK120 (optical out) -> Hugo -> TH900s / UM Miracle. My dealer left me a voicemail reply yesterday saying it's due the first week of February. Might ring them back today to confirm if they meant that's when Chord said it'll be released or when they'll get mine in. I hope they mean the latter (or even both)!
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