I just want to learn how stuff work, I guess I'm a little more curious than your average Joe so I tend to look into things with my not so high level of scientific education, and even lower memory of it as I learned it almost 20years ago. that's how I ended up in the sound science catacombs.
objectivists or subjectivsts, in the end what they're called doesn't matter, there is a pretty simple thing about all this. people who know more about something are usually closer to the truth on that particular subject. we all agree on this, but in here people listening to music seem to believe that listener's experience is all it takes to know all there is to know about acoustic and electronic. this is silly.
the fact that I listened to a 100 headphones didn't infuse me with knowledge about how sound works, the same way listening to piano all my life didn't make me into a pianist. if this so simple truth was widely admitted, half of our audio cat fights wouldn't exist.
we all agree that there is a limit to nowadays science and some stuff are not yet explained. 50 years ago smocking was OK, 100years ago cleaning yourself with water was dangerous, one day placing food into plastic will be considered crazy. that's how it is, we learn new stuff everyday (thanks to science). my problem here is that this argument of finite knowledge serves as an excuse to justify all and everything. it doesn't work like that and never did. it's not science it's reason!
I know I mustn't judge people, but every single time I see a guy spitting on science as an all to make his point, I can't help but think this guy is an ignorant imbecile.
there is a huge difference between saying a frequency graph doesn't give enough intel for this or that, and saying measurements are useless. or better, saying that measurements are dangerous as I've been told several times now. this drives me mad as it doesn't just let us stagnant learning nothing, it drags us into wishful ignorance. it's a clear equivalent of burning books for me.
talking about the limits of a technique is interesting and I'm all for it. every time this happens, I learn a little more about the technique itself and become more aware of its limitations as people will bring them to the debate.
but talking about how what makes a plane fly is full of errors and inferior to your gut feelings? that is plain wrong and a little egomaniac.
the limit of humanity's knowledge has nothing to do with one's personal limit, and not trying to learn isn't the right way to impose one's idea onto others.
my absolute truth (100% backed up by zero science):
science is not enough= why not let's talk about where it is and where is isn't.
science is wrong because my ears told me so= lol stop being a kid, at best one measurement was erroneous.
objectivists actually have ears and happen to use them too. I know it's hard to believe. I've even heard of a guy once who looked at a graph while listening to music! crazy stuff.
learning a thing or 2 about how measurements are done and what they mean won't make your ears to fall off your head. but it does take time and effort so pretend they're useless is an easy way out.
there is no such thing as knowing too much.
that's my take on the objectivist vs subjectivist war, where as always those with the bigger voice don't talk for the majority.